Al-Baghdadi Dies "Whimpering, Crying, Screaming"

[The4thEstate]

A second operation kills ISIS Spokesman in a separate raid ...

The CIA targeted and killed ISIS spokesman Abu al-Hassan al-Muhajir in a separate raid, from the one that killed ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, a U.S. official confirmed to The Daily Beast.

“We never stopped patrolling, we never stopped analyzing intel and developing targets. We just slowed down during the Turkey invasion,” the official told The Daily Beast’s Spencer Ackerman. Newsweek reports that as Trump announced the death of Baghdadi, Hellfire missiles targeted Muhajir by Ayn al-Bayda, near Jarablus in Aleppo province.

The operation that targeted Muhajir comes just one day after a raid targeted ISIS’ leader in the Idlib province of Syria, where Trump said he detonated a suicide vest as U.S. forces closed in. Muhajir was named ISIS spokesperson in 2016, according to Newsweek.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/abu-al-ha ... l-baghdadi

Congratulations to all those involved in both raids and whatever else is coming.

Guess the ISIS spokesman won't be speaking much after this weekend. Appropriately, he was targeted with Hellfire missiles.

Yep, ISIS leaders are dropping faster than Spinal Tap drummers.

In the immortal words of Bruce Willis in "Die Hard":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVY2VfWLwrA

[Black Orchid]

I saw this headline from a British tabloid ...

As long as Trump is in power, Baghdadi's death will not necessarily make the world a safer place

First few words ...

It is difficult to contemplate the death of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi without a feeling that some sort of justice has dispensed, albeit far from ideal.

Then just a total Trump bash. It makes me feel ashamed and sorry for those who cannot even hide their bias long enough to celebrate a victory that should be celebrated instead of trying to undermine it.

It also makes me ashamed that opinion pieces such as this are even advertised on our news sites.

Well, the British tabloid headline is laughably stupid.

Obama was much more willing to involve the U.S. in foreign conflicts than Trump, who's more into getting American troops out of harm's way, especially in places where the U.S. has no vital interests. Ironically, anti-Vietnam War protesters (then considered liberal) used to say things like "The U.S. should not be the world's policeman," whereas nowadays it's Trump -- considered right-wing -- who's more likely to cite such rationale as a reason to withdraw from global hot spots.

So how exactly is Trump making the world a more dangerous place than Obama, who committed the U.S. military to an intervention in Libya? (A move he himself called his "worst mistake.")
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... presidency

He's not. It's just that a president who stands up for the interests of average Americans, as opposed to viewing his own country as a bully the way Obama did, is destined to be less popular overseas.

I agree with you. It makes me just shake my head when people call him a warmonger. Especially after all the damage Obama and Hillary did and these same people loved those two. Go figure!

Moving the troops out of Syria was a good thing too. It's pushed them to work together over there, as they well should by now.

[Black Orchid]

A second operation kills ISIS Spokesman in a separate raid ...

The CIA targeted and killed ISIS spokesman Abu al-Hassan al-Muhajir in a separate raid, from the one that killed ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, a U.S. official confirmed to The Daily Beast.

“We never stopped patrolling, we never stopped analyzing intel and developing targets. We just slowed down during the Turkey invasion,” the official told The Daily Beast’s Spencer Ackerman. Newsweek reports that as Trump announced the death of Baghdadi, Hellfire missiles targeted Muhajir by Ayn al-Bayda, near Jarablus in Aleppo province.

The operation that targeted Muhajir comes just one day after a raid targeted ISIS’ leader in the Idlib province of Syria, where Trump said he detonated a suicide vest as U.S. forces closed in. Muhajir was named ISIS spokesperson in 2016, according to Newsweek.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/abu-al-ha ... l-baghdadi

Congratulations to all those involved in both raids and whatever else is coming.

Guess the ISIS spokesman won't be speaking much after this weekend. Appropriately, he was targeted with Hellfire missiles.

Yep, ISIS leaders are dropping faster than Spinal Tap drummers.

In the immortal words of Bruce Willis in "Die Hard":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVY2VfWLwrA

Baghdadi's assumed successor was also taken out less than 24 hours later. Well done to that I say!

[brian ross]

Brian Ross will now go into mourning for a week.

He'll be joined by the Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives who've been trying to impeach Trump for 3 years.

Such a wonderful, non-biased piece of journalism there, 4E?

You are not going to let a chance to go without bashing the Left, are you?

Are you referring to yourself or the Democrats?

One is a joke (I think). The other is verifiable.

As Wikipedia notes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_t ... nald_Trump

"Immediately after his inauguration, The Independent and The Washington Post each reported on efforts already underway to impeach Trump, based on what the organizers regard as conflicts of interest arising from Trump's ability to use his political position to promote the interests of 'Trump'-branded businesses, and ongoing payments by foreign entities to businesses within the Trump business empire as a violation of the Foreign Emoluments Clause."

Translation: When lefties lose an election, they look for any excuse to try to reverse it.

You seem to act as if the Left is a Borg like organism, centrally controlled, 4E. Do you really believe that? Really?

I don't believe the Right is centrally controlled nor that everybody who ascribes to the Right is necessarily Hitler personified.

You appear to decry "the Left" at every opportunity and lump me with the more extreme elements in it. Do you think that is fair? I don't. I believe I am sensible in my opposition to el Presidente Trump. He is a nasty, lying, egotistical, bullying character and that is on his good days. He has been reported transgressing many US laws concerning record keeping, concerned conflicts of interest and of course, he hates anybody who dares criticise him or his policies. Hardly a great leader for any nation, let alone the US which is supposedly "the leader of the free world", to have elected. Yet you appear to support him 100%. Funny that.

[The4thEstate]

Such a wonderful, non-biased piece of journalism there, 4E?

You are not going to let a chance to go without bashing the Left, are you?

Are you referring to yourself or the Democrats?

One is a joke (I think). The other is verifiable.

As Wikipedia notes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_t ... nald_Trump

"Immediately after his inauguration, The Independent and The Washington Post each reported on efforts already underway to impeach Trump, based on what the organizers regard as conflicts of interest arising from Trump's ability to use his political position to promote the interests of 'Trump'-branded businesses, and ongoing payments by foreign entities to businesses within the Trump business empire as a violation of the Foreign Emoluments Clause."

Translation: When lefties lose an election, they look for any excuse to try to reverse it.

You seem to act as if the Left is a Borg like organism, centrally controlled, 4E. Do you really believe that? Really?

I believe it when applied to the American left. You and the rest of the Australian left will have to answer for yourselves.

I don't believe the Right is centrally controlled nor that everybody who ascribes to the Right is necessarily Hitler personified.

Then you'd never fit in with the American left.

You appear to decry "the Left" at every opportunity and lump me with the more extreme elements in it. Do you think that is fair? I don't.

It's as fair as you lumping me and other American right-wingers in with the KKK.

I believe I am sensible in my opposition to el Presidente Trump. He is a nasty, lying, egotistical, bullying character and that is on his good days.

You could say the same for most politicians. Obama wasn't exactly a man of modest ego, nor was he generous to his political opponents, once petulantly saying to Republicans, "You can ride with us if you want, but you gotta sit in the back seat."

Notice, too, how Obama disrespectfully answers a question of Senator John McCain by dismissively reminding his former presidential opponent, "The election's over."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXudI0ibo-k

So Obama often acted like a prick. It's just that the American media were too busy leading cheers, doing the splits and waving their pom poms to object to it.

As for Trump ... yeah, he can be arrogant and egotistical at times. But so what? The economy is thriving compared to the way Obama left it. Jobs are returning to American shores. China isn't pushing us around economically. And we aren't admitting millions of Third Worlders -- especially from terrorism-laden nations -- as if our nation's survival depended on it.

So to me, it's like the old saying about morality: If I had to have open-heart surgery, I'd rather it be done by an expert surgeon who cheats on his wife than a first-time surgeon who's a faithful church-goer.

He has been reported transgressing many US laws concerning record keeping, concerned conflicts of interest and of course, he hates anybody who dares criticise him or his policies.

Uh-huh, and the key word here is "reported." A thinking observer would say to himself, "Who's doing the reporting, and what political biases might they harbor?"

Hardly a great leader for any nation, let alone the US which is supposedly "the leader of the free world", to have elected. Yet you appear to support him 100%. Funny that.

Yep. Because however rough around the edges Trump might be, he puts America and Americans first -- unlike Obama, who cared more about winning the adoration of European globalists.

What else explains Obama's willingness to sign on to the Paris climate agreement, knowing full well that it let China skate for 15 years while requiring America to reduce its carbon emissions 28 percent and pay $3 billion to the U.N.?

I'll take substance over style, thanks.

[The4thEstate]

A second operation kills ISIS Spokesman in a separate raid ...

The CIA targeted and killed ISIS spokesman Abu al-Hassan al-Muhajir in a separate raid, from the one that killed ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, a U.S. official confirmed to The Daily Beast.

“We never stopped patrolling, we never stopped analyzing intel and developing targets. We just slowed down during the Turkey invasion,” the official told The Daily Beast’s Spencer Ackerman. Newsweek reports that as Trump announced the death of Baghdadi, Hellfire missiles targeted Muhajir by Ayn al-Bayda, near Jarablus in Aleppo province.

The operation that targeted Muhajir comes just one day after a raid targeted ISIS’ leader in the Idlib province of Syria, where Trump said he detonated a suicide vest as U.S. forces closed in. Muhajir was named ISIS spokesperson in 2016, according to Newsweek.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/abu-al-ha ... l-baghdadi

Congratulations to all those involved in both raids and whatever else is coming.

Guess the ISIS spokesman won't be speaking much after this weekend. Appropriately, he was targeted with Hellfire missiles.

Yep, ISIS leaders are dropping faster than Spinal Tap drummers.

In the immortal words of Bruce Willis in "Die Hard":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVY2VfWLwrA

Baghdadi's assumed successor was also taken out less than 24 hours later. Well done to that I say!

Yep, and I'll bet the new ISIS boss is looking over his shoulder for drones and helicopters every time he steps outside.

There are something like 12,000 ISIS fighters incarcerated in Syria right now, in the custody of the Kurds last time I heard. They can't be allowed to escape, because even one ISIS fighter can cause a massacre in a civilized Western nation.

So what to do with them?

Well, I have my own ideas, but it would probably disturb the sensitivities of certain more liberal members of this forum. Let's just say that they deserve the same due process they gave their own prisoners.

[Bobby]

A second operation kills ISIS Spokesman in a separate raid ...

The CIA targeted and killed ISIS spokesman Abu al-Hassan al-Muhajir in a separate raid, from the one that killed ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, a U.S. official confirmed to The Daily Beast.

“We never stopped patrolling, we never stopped analyzing intel and developing targets. We just slowed down during the Turkey invasion,” the official told The Daily Beast’s Spencer Ackerman. Newsweek reports that as Trump announced the death of Baghdadi, Hellfire missiles targeted Muhajir by Ayn al-Bayda, near Jarablus in Aleppo province.

The operation that targeted Muhajir comes just one day after a raid targeted ISIS’ leader in the Idlib province of Syria, where Trump said he detonated a suicide vest as U.S. forces closed in. Muhajir was named ISIS spokesperson in 2016, according to Newsweek.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/abu-al-ha ... l-baghdadi

Congratulations to all those involved in both raids and whatever else is coming.

Guess the ISIS spokesman won't be speaking much after this weekend. Appropriately, he was targeted with Hellfire missiles.

Yep, ISIS leaders are dropping faster than Spinal Tap drummers.

In the immortal words of Bruce Willis in "Die Hard":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVY2VfWLwrA

Baghdadi's assumed successor was also taken out less than 24 hours later. Well done to that I say!

Yep, and I'll bet the new ISIS boss is looking over his shoulder for drones and helicopters every time he steps outside.

There are something like 12,000 ISIS fighters incarcerated in Syria right now, in the custody of the Kurds last time I heard. They can't be allowed to escape, because even one ISIS fighter can cause a massacre in a civilized Western nation.

So what to do with them?

Well, I have my own ideas, but it would probably disturb the sensitivities of certain more liberal members of this forum. Let's just say that they deserve the same due process they gave their own prisoners.

Do what Hitler would do.

[brian ross]

Do what Hitler would do.

And how well did that work out for the Nazis, Bobby? They still rule Europe, don't they? Ooops!

The Israelis have found out that collective punishments, exile, extra-judicial executions, destruction of property, etc. hasn't worked all that well for them, just as it hasn't worked all that well for any other occupying power throughout history.

[Bobby]

Do what Hitler would do.

And how well did that work out for the Nazis, Bobby? They still rule Europe, don't they? Ooops!

The Israelis have found out that collective punishments, exile, extra-judicial executions, destruction of property, etc. hasn't worked all that well for them, just as it hasn't worked all that well for any other occupying power throughout history.

Hitler would bury them all in unmarked graves
in the desert sand.

[brian ross]

Do what Hitler would do.

And how well did that work out for the Nazis, Bobby? They still rule Europe, don't they? Ooops!

The Israelis have found out that collective punishments, exile, extra-judicial executions, destruction of property, etc. hasn't worked all that well for them, just as it hasn't worked all that well for any other occupying power throughout history.

Hitler would bury them all in unmarked graves
in the desert sand.

Still missing the point, Bobby.

How well did that work out for the Nazis? How well did it work out for Saddam Hussein? How well has it worked out for the Israelis, Mmmmm? I suppose you like to ignore reality, don't you?