climate change and how the left has been misleading public

[Outlaw Yogi]

[urlhttp://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/sign ... 126yq.html][/url]

''I have long been something of a climate-change sceptic,'' wrote Michael Hanlon. (One commentator describes him as Britain's most influential sceptic.) ''But my views in recent years have shifted. For me, the most convincing evidence that something worrying is going on lies right here in the Arctic . . .

''I still believe climate change has probably been exaggerated, but after coming here it is impossible to maintain that nothing is going on.'' It's doubt, but not as we know it.

The more I look the scarier it gets.

Just wait untill the isotropic quakes start.
That should be pretty scary

As veteran British climate writer Fred Pearce observes, sceptics have a valid point when they say that climate predictions are far less certain than is often claimed. But ''those sceptics are dreadfully wrong to take comfort in this . . . There is chaos out there, and we should be afraid.''

It is time to face our fears and do something.

What ... like move essential infrastructure higher than my predicted 97 metre ocean rise?

I may be 203 metres/666 feet above current sea level but aquifers are going to be salinated so being 100 km inland still might not be good enough.

There's plenty of factors nobody seems to consider relevant.
For example melting glaciers and ice shelves will raise ocean levels, but everybody seems to forget water expands as it heats, so that raises the level again.

[Outlaw Yogi]

Rising Temperatures Reducing Ability of Plants to Absorb Carbon
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... nts-carbon

[Super Nova]

What lies beneath Antarctic ice
Rodolfo del Valle and his team are heading to the Southern Ocean to measure a methane leak.

Ana Belluscio


For three years, Rodolfo del Valle and his team will be probing the ice and seabed in the Erebus and Terror Gulf.
Persistent bubbling is stirring the water's surface in the Erebus and Terror Gulf, a remote spot off the Antarctic Peninsula. When he saw the commotion in 2000, Argentinian geologist Rodolfo del Valle was intrigued — despite 38 years' experience in the region. There was a chance the gas contained methane, and when del Valle's team investigated the leak they discovered it to be 99% methane.

This is bad news. The gas is not only 25 times more powerful than carbon dioxide at heating the atmosphere; methane hydrates locked up in the Antarctic seabed and ice also contain vast amounts of carbon — overall, methane deposits contain about half of global carbon. With a recorded decline in Antarctic ice shelves, the long-term effect of deteriorating and melting ice could range from boosting global warming to helping trigger mass extinctions. Nature caught up with del Valle on the eve of his departure for the first on-the-ground study to quantify methane leakage in shallow waters and ice in the Gulf.

What's the overall rationale for your upcoming three-year focus on methane hydrate deposits?

Statistics and figures aside, I have been participating in Antarctic expeditions for so long that I've seen entire ice shelves crumble into pieces small enough to prepare a Scotch on the rocks. We have had to redraw maps. Global warming is a fact, and once we quantify methane emissions we will have scientific proof that the substrate on the seabed is melting and leaking methane. If these methane deposits reach the atmosphere, they will deepen the greenhouse effect, which, in turn, will promote further methane release, thus closing the circle and ramping up warming.

A number of studies have pointed to methane as a factor in mass extinctions. Are we looking at the start of a similar scenario now?

By quantifying the emissions and establishing their magnitude, we will be able to begin to determine how they will affect global warming. We believe there is a huge amount of destabilized methane deposits that may leak into the atmosphere and ramp up warming. This is not a new fact in geological history. Of seven major mass extinctions that erased 90% of the species at the time, five are attributable to climate change, and one in particular — at the Permo-Triassic boundary — could be directly attributable to mass methane release in the Upper Palaeozoic.


Methane could be implicated in deaths of crabeater seals in the area.Doug Allan / Nature Picture Library
Will you be investigating any direct consequences of methane leakage around the northern Antarctic peninsula?

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100903/ ... 0.442.html

Man are we going to be in deep shit when things warm a little and all this methane is released. Time to kill all the cows and demand all farts to be bottled for orderly disposal. Farts should have hefty environmental taxes but would be difficult to police. Baked beans would need to be removed from the supermarket.

Actually it is too late to stop this. Fart away because the end is near.

[White Indigene]

Man what waffle and doublethink

A dude posts about the blind leading the blind, sheesh.

Excuse me folks, but is the sun still shining, or is it all black and stuff from farts and cars and and whateva??

I didn't try to go all through the posts; instead I ask the following:

.Did anyone address the BP destruction of the gulf currents??
.Did anyone look at the relationship of carbon and other gases in the atmosphere as a conductor
.Has anyone posted about the science of magnitudes, where upon our (your) influence in the universe is so minute as to be irrelevant.
.And does it seem at all possible that the sun is to blame for the schizoid responses of the CC death cult??

anyone?

[Ned Kelly]

Did anyone acknowledge the impact of a volcano, the name of which no-one can spell or pronounce? The one which kept Europe's commercial aeroplane fleet on the ground?

[Outlaw Yogi]

Man are we going to be in deep shit when things warm a little and all this methane is released. Time to kill all the cows and demand all farts to be bottled for orderly disposal. Farts should have hefty environmental taxes but would be difficult to police. Baked beans would need to be removed from the supermarket.

What do you mean "when" it's released?
The frozen methane has already thawing and has been being released for the last 3 years.
As for killing the cows, well how about trashing all the vegetable crops?
Far more Nitrous oxide is released every time farmers fertilise that when a whole herd burps & farts.
And Nitrous oxide is 10 times more potent a GHG tha methane.

Actually it is too late to stop this. Fart away because the end is near.

Afraid so.
But hey, it's not the 1st time, and we survived the 3 global floods since the last ice age

[Super Nova]

What do you mean "when" it's released?
The frozen methane has already thawing and has been being released for the last 3 years.
As for killing the cows, well how about trashing all the vegetable crops?
Far more Nitrous oxide is released every time farmers fertilise that when a whole herd burps & farts.
And Nitrous oxide is 10 times more potent a GHG tha methane.

"Nitrous oxide " does this mean that we will have high voice pitches in the future as the world is flooded with NO2.

I do agree. it is not a matter of when.

The real issue for me is not the rise in sea level. That is something we will have to adjust to. What concerns me is the effect of a rise in temperature will have that will lead to a massive release of methane and other GHG and we end of with a run away GH effect leading to 10 degrees C increase in temperature. The equivent to the great mass extinction. I think humanity will survive this however it will kill a significant portion of humanity. They may not be a bad thing in the long term since we are over populating hte planet and nature will bring us into check at some point. I am more worried that it may effect my childs life as i can see this causing real problem in the next 100 years.

I am not an optimist when it comes to humans doing the right thing. We are selfish, short term thinkers in general and we have no way of governing behavour for the collective good of the whole.

We shit in our own nest. We should expect that at some point we will be covered in shit then die.

[White Indigene]

The Palace of Gore



Imagine the power bill.

Thats a thread on its own.

[Outlaw Yogi]

What do you mean "when" it's released?
The frozen methane has already thawing and has been being released for the last 3 years.
As for killing the cows, well how about trashing all the vegetable crops?
Far more Nitrous oxide is released every time farmers fertilise that when a whole herd burps & farts.
And Nitrous oxide is 10 times more potent a GHG tha methane.

"Nitrous oxide " does this mean that we will have high voice pitches in the future as the world is flooded with NO2.

I do agree. it is not a matter of when.

The real issue for me is not the rise in sea level. That is something we will have to adjust to. What concerns me is the effect of a rise in temperature will have that will lead to a massive release of methane and other GHG and we end of with a run away GH effect leading to 10 degrees C increase in temperature. The equivent to the great mass extinction. I think humanity will survive this however it will kill a significant portion of humanity. They may not be a bad thing in the long term since we are over populating hte planet and nature will bring us into check at some point. I am more worried that it may effect my childs life as i can see this causing real problem in the next 100 years.

I am not an optimist when it comes to humans doing the right thing. We are selfish, short term thinkers in general and we have no way of governing behavour for the collective good of the whole.

We shit in our own nest. We should expect that at some point we will be covered in shit then die.

Yes it's quite possible runaway global warming could cause a Permian extinction like scenario.

[Outlaw Yogi]

Man what waffle and doublethink

A dude posts about the blind leading the blind, sheesh.

Excuse me folks, but is the sun still shining, or is it all black and stuff from farts and cars and and whateva??

I didn't try to go all through the posts; instead I ask the following:


.Did anyone look at the relationship of carbon and other gases in the atmosphere as a conductor

.And does it seem at all possible that the sun is to blame for the schizoid responses of the CC death cult??

anyone?

A few year back the CC skeptic crowd started blaming the sun and ridiculing the GHG version of events.
They said "The sun is getting hotter"
So I checked the data from both OZ and US satelites and found the sun had actually cooled slightly during the period we experienced record heat waves ect. So it's NOT the sun, it's green house gases.

But one question I have not been able to have considered let alone answered is "what are the electical properties of CO2?"
and "how will it react/behave during sun spot exposure/solar flare periods?"
Would it act as a conductor, a battery/capacitor or an insulator?
Different forms of carbon have very different electrical properties.

Really only matters if the "Precession of the Equinoxes' theory is correct and our solar system is exposed the increased levels of cosmic radiation as we pass closer to the centre of the Milky way as it does just short of every 13,000 years on our 25,920 year lap around the galaxy.