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Super Nova
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by Super Nova » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:40 pm
Jovial Monk wrote:Cowering? Crap!
Monk,
Why would that be crap.
1. Our people get killed because they dare to draw a picture of Mohammod. Images are forbidden in islam but the west is based on the right to free speech. No publisher will show images of Mohammod because they are shit scared of the muslim retaliation.
2. We try to make peace with a group of people who are completely insane. they can not be negoiated with, however we are so afriaid of them we seek peace and we continually comprise our values. They make no compromises.
3. We take the piss out of all religions... but do not dare take the piss out of Islam. Why would that be?
I think the west is guilty of cowering to the threat of Islam. We are as weak as piss and should recognise this for what it is.
I have no issue with islam. It teaches similar stuff to Christianity however the extremists have won the day. Also note we had our own extremist past when Christian organisations ran our lives. We need to remember we have moved on... they have not yet moved on.
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by Jovial Monk » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:43 pm
eeerm we are talking about partnering with one or two Muslim nations in space projects.
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by Super Nova » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:47 pm
Jovial Monk wrote:eeerm we are talking about partnering with one or two Muslim nations in space projects.
Yes to build bridges with a nation based on it's religion.
Not to build a co-operative venture with a nation. It is to help with US-Muslim relations.
Big difference in my mind.
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by annielaurie » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:52 pm
Why would that be crap.
1. Our people get killed because they dare to draw a picture of Mohammod. Images are forbidden in islam but the west is based on the right to free speech. No publisher will show images of Mohammod because they are shit scared of the muslim retaliation.
2. We try to make peace with a group of people who are completely insane. they can not be negoiated with, however we are so afriaid of them we seek peace and we continually comprise our values. They make no compromises.
3. We take the piss out of all religions... but do not dare take the piss out of Islam. Why would that be?
I think the west is guilty of cowering to the threat of Islam. We are as weak as piss and should recognise this for what it is.
That's right, and we are dealing with more than just Islam the religion, it's about political Islam. Take a look at this website, read the thirteen essays on this page, and you will see it clearly ..
http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/cate ... cal-islam/
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by Jovial Monk » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:54 pm
so the way to deal with hat is pretend they are not there?
Islam is an unattractive faith, responsible for keeping its people in poverty pretty much. But 1.4Bn people are of that faith. Better build bridges than make war? Like they said in the 70s “Make love not war”?
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by Super Nova » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:12 pm
Jovial Monk wrote:so the way to deal with hat is pretend they are not there?
Islam is an unattractive faith, responsible for keeping its people in poverty pretty much. But 1.4Bn people are of that faith. Better build bridges than make war? Like they said in the 70s “Make love not war”?
Ask any women. There is a big different between "making love" and "sex".
Their style of love is a good royal shafting of the west. The west doesn't feel good after that type of intercourse so we feel unloved.
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by Jovial Monk » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:17 pm
Look I think Islam really, really sucks, its treatment of its “women” some of which are girls under 10 is appalling, utterly apalling and degrading. I just don’t think we should react by acting as tho they aren’t there.
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by Super Nova » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:28 pm
annielaurie,
Your president is in a tough place. I do not know the solution but we do need to try to influence them. i don't think we will have any success until we convince the state (the government of islamic nations) to separate state and religion. Which is what you did in the US, France ....etc. Then all western governments. this was the first major step.
Monk,
I agree. We should not ignore them as if they are not there. We should engage with them but not take any shite. It is not right that when they feel offended, they seek to kill us. Gee, if i killed eveyone who offended me I would have to kill everyone I ever met. Their existence can offend me
Their treatment of women is terrible and as the father of a little girl... completely offensive to my values. I wonder if we should apply the laws of the Israelites. An eye for an eye and all that stuff. If they do something to us... we should do it back but bigger. You attack us... we wipe you out. Now that might put the scares back on them... where it should belong. Silly idea but just a thought.
It is a serious matter and will take a few generations to resolve I am afraid.
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by IQSRLOW » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:30 pm
If they do something to us... we should do it back but bigger. You attack us... we wipe you out. Now that might put the scares back on them... where it should belong.
That is against the lefty mantra of appeasement and pussification
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