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Re: US Election

Post by Redneck » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:44 pm

BigP wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:35 pm
Redneck wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:08 pm
Texan wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:01 pm
billy the kid wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:43 pm
Texan wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:47 pm
The Democrats have been conducting a coup since election night 2016. That's what the Russia hoax, impeachment, and everything else on the media/Democrat agenda has been about. We have voting laws for a reason. Are you suggesting that we should ignore them for the Democrats because Fox News called the election for Biden? I don't remember the media being involved in the election process in my Constitution. Maybe you can point it out for me.
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Tex...
Correct me if Im wrong....
If Trump does not concede, does the vote then go to the House of Representatives...
(12th Amendment....)
The House has a Republican majority....
My understanding is that all Trump has to do is refuse to concede...
AND the majority in the House ensures he remains President.....
We have had 2 candidates refuse to concede the election in our history, in 1800 and 1824. If after the electoral college cannot reach a definite decision, the decision goes to Congress. I need to read up on this. This is covered in the 12th Amendment of our Constitution. Our language has changed and I need to reread it more carefully. I believe it comes down to each state getting 1 vote to choose the president in the House and the Senate chooses the vice president. It could really be a screwed up situation, but 37 states are Republican controlled, so Trump has an extreme advantage over Biden here.
If after the electoral college cannot reach a definite decision, the decision goes to Congress.
Regarding the President, that would only be the case if it was a draw in college votes each received as I read it, not someone dummy spitting!

Anyway the final count will determine that.
If the colleges dont give Biden their vote, And the are not legally bound to do so, he will not be the President , A highly unlikely scenario I will admit
Thats true!

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Re: US Election

Post by billy the kid » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:49 pm

My understanding....
The votes of the people have to be counted by each State by the 14th December, 2020.
If each states delegates of the Electoral College cannot finalize their count
by the 14.12.2020, my understanding is that it would then go to Congress, where
Trump would be re-elected due to the majority the Republicans have.
Each state having one vote for the President and one vote for the Vice President....
The delegates of each state can only certify their numbers if the counting is complete.
I would think that the delaying tactic used by Trump to go to the Courts is a brilliant
legal move.
It only has to slow down everything until the 14.12.2020.
The 279 votes that Biden has at the moment is an insignificant number if by the 14th
December, 2020, the delegates cannot certify the finality of voting.
Time is of the essence for Biden to win.
Thats my understanding.
Perhaps Tex...as he is an American can verify this...
Im no expert on US Constitutional law....I just google like everyone else.... :shock:
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Re: US Election

Post by Redneck » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:56 pm

billy the kid wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:49 pm
My understanding....
The votes of the people have to be counted by each State by the 14th December, 2020.
If each states delegates of the Electoral College cannot finalize their count
by the 14.12.2020, my understanding is that it would then go to Congress, where
Trump would be re-elected due to the majority the Republicans have.
Each state having one vote for the President and one vote for the Vice President....
The delegates of each state can only certify their numbers if the counting is complete.
I would think that the delaying tactic used by Trump to go to the Courts is a brilliant
legal move.
It only has to slow down everything until the 14.12.2020.
The 279 votes that Biden has at the moment is an insignificant number if by the 14th
December, 2020, the delegates cannot certify the finality of voting.
Time is of the essence for Biden to win.
Thats my understanding.
Perhaps Tex...as he is an American can verify this...
Im no expert on US Constitutional law....I just google like everyone else.... :shock:
Thats a possibility if recounts have to occur in lots of states I guess.

I think any attempt to delay any recounts intentionally would end up in civil war !

Sad to say!

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Re: US Election

Post by billy the kid » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:06 pm

Redneck wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:56 pm
billy the kid wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:49 pm
My understanding....
The votes of the people have to be counted by each State by the 14th December, 2020.
If each states delegates of the Electoral College cannot finalize their count
by the 14.12.2020, my understanding is that it would then go to Congress, where
Trump would be re-elected due to the majority the Republicans have.
Each state having one vote for the President and one vote for the Vice President....
The delegates of each state can only certify their numbers if the counting is complete.
I would think that the delaying tactic used by Trump to go to the Courts is a brilliant
legal move.
It only has to slow down everything until the 14.12.2020.
The 279 votes that Biden has at the moment is an insignificant number if by the 14th
December, 2020, the delegates cannot certify the finality of voting.
Time is of the essence for Biden to win.
Thats my understanding.
Perhaps Tex...as he is an American can verify this...
Im no expert on US Constitutional law....I just google like everyone else.... :shock:
Thats a possibility if recounts have to occur in lots of states I guess.

I think any attempt to delay any recounts intentionally would end up in civil war !

Sad to say!
From what Ive read recently, the 14.12.2020 deadline was always going to be difficult for many
States to abide by. The problem has been worsened by the huge number of mail ins...
The more vote counting controversies arise, the slower the process...
All the more reason for the voting system to be streamlined..
Buckleys hope of that happening... :shock:
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Re: US Election

Post by Black Orchid » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:16 pm

Mass mail-ins were a very stupid Dem idea.

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Re: US Election

Post by Redneck » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:18 pm

billy the kid wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:06 pm
Redneck wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:56 pm
billy the kid wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:49 pm
My understanding....
The votes of the people have to be counted by each State by the 14th December, 2020.
If each states delegates of the Electoral College cannot finalize their count
by the 14.12.2020, my understanding is that it would then go to Congress, where
Trump would be re-elected due to the majority the Republicans have.
Each state having one vote for the President and one vote for the Vice President....
The delegates of each state can only certify their numbers if the counting is complete.
I would think that the delaying tactic used by Trump to go to the Courts is a brilliant
legal move.
It only has to slow down everything until the 14.12.2020.
The 279 votes that Biden has at the moment is an insignificant number if by the 14th
December, 2020, the delegates cannot certify the finality of voting.
Time is of the essence for Biden to win.
Thats my understanding.
Perhaps Tex...as he is an American can verify this...
Im no expert on US Constitutional law....I just google like everyone else.... :shock:
Thats a possibility if recounts have to occur in lots of states I guess.

I think any attempt to delay any recounts intentionally would end up in civil war !

Sad to say!
From what Ive read recently, the 14.12.2020 deadline was always going to be difficult for many
States to abide by. The problem has been worsened by the huge number of mail ins...
The more vote counting controversies arise, the slower the process...
All the more reason for the voting system to be streamlined..
Buckleys hope of that happening... :shock:
I am not sure that recounts would take as long as the original counts as the state would just use lots more counters and the votes would be still boxed (or similar)

Anyway we shall see!

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Re: US Election

Post by billy the kid » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:19 pm

My personal feeling is that Trump will remain in power due to the delay....
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Re: US Election

Post by billy the kid » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:24 pm

To discover those who rule over you, first discover those who you cannot criticize...Voltaire
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Re: US Election

Post by sprintcyclist » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:51 pm

billy the kid wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:19 pm
My personal feeling is that Trump will remain in power due to the delay....
My personal feeling is that Biden will be the new President
Right Wing is the Natural Progression.

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Re: US Election

Post by BigP » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:02 pm

sprintcyclist wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:51 pm
billy the kid wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:19 pm
My personal feeling is that Trump will remain in power due to the delay....
My personal feeling is that Biden will be the new President
No doubt in my mind that will be the case, Trumps litigation will be no more than a distraction

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