ICAC anyone???

[Black Orchid]

This is why I dislike the mindset of people being rusted on to one particular party (any party) for life. They don't care about cleaning up corruption. They just put their blinkers on, stick their fingers in their ears and call it 'bashing'. The mind boggles. No party is immune and they all need to be weeded out. State and Federal.

[brian ross]

It seems to be that this more an ALP bashing exercise than anything else. Particularly as I have pointed out, Black Orchid has chosen to ignore Gladys Liu. I wonder why?

You are wearing your appalling bias and hatred on your sleeve again, Brian. Not only did I make a thread saying that Gladys Liu should be dumped some weeks ago but I have also said the same thing in this thread more than once. I have also said I do not agree with the way ScoMo addressed it.

How is that ignoring Liu? You are just being dishonest and petty because I don't say the things you want me to.

You ignored her, here, Black Orchid. That is how you ignore Liu, in favour of bashing Dastyari. Gee, I wonder why? Perhaps 'cause you forgot about her in your ferver to bash the ALP or could it have been your just trying to ignore what the Tories have done?

[brian ross]

OK, lets see if I can get this right, to satisfy, Fred.

ICAC is a NSW state organisation. It does not hold any jurisidication outside of NSW. It is charged with investigating and prosecuting state politicians and have acted corruptly under NSW law, right?

So, then, why are people talking about Federal Politicians? I admit I made that mistake in response to Black Orchid.

Uh-huh.

To your first point, Corruption knows no borders...

Corruption may not but ICAC does, Fred. It cannot investigate anyone outside of NSW's state borders AIUI.

And thus it needs to be addressed federally… Listen I am all for Albanese appointment (or announcing) this investigagtion. For me, it promotes the party not detracts from it. BUT I have to ask why it was not commenced earlier, A completely legitimate question. Just because the body who uncovers the corruption can only act within the state should NEVER be an excuse to stick your head in the sand and pretend it didn’t happen…

Things do not happen instantaneously, Fred in any organisation of any size and the ALP is quite large. The reason why it didn't happen before was 'cause the pressure to mount it wasn't felt.

Why are people looking to Federal Politicians??? Parties only know borders when they can hide behind them...

No, Parties know borders that limit their powers. The border of NSW limits the powers of ICAC. QED.

Irrelevant… the ALP is state and federal as a party… Ignoring the state because you can get away with criminal behaviour in other states is NOT an argument.

The ALP is made up of separate state parties, Fred. Each one is a separate entity. Each is organised differently. Indeed, I remember my first year Politics lecturer pointing out that when he asked the ALP how the NSW branch was organised they didn't know and were very interested once he'd analysed it 'cause they wanted the information for their own purposes. NSW has a lot of hang overs from the days of the Rum Corps still and the political parties are symptoms of that...

The Federal Branch of the ALP is very distinct from the state branches. You really cannot compare them.

So, the very fact that ICAC is state organisation and corruption is being found all over, I would consider it VERY important to act federally to expose and expel any and all corruption.

Take it then you support the calls for a Federal ICAC to investigate Federal crimes of corruption then, Fred?

Yes, I do. I have NO compunction to hide from reality. Not just federal crimes either but corruption of any description.

Good. Neither do I. I believe all political parties should be investigated - the ALP, the Tories, the Nats, the PHONies. All have skeletons lurking in their closets.

It seems to be that this more an ALP bashing exercise than anything else. Particularly as I have pointed out, Black Orchid has chosen to ignore Gladys Liu. I wonder why?

An ALP bashing thread, eh??? I usually don’t suffer fools easily but seriously, did you read the OP???
Apparently you don’t have anything to add just complaint.

I complain about things that need complaining about. If you want to propose a Federal ICAC, the propose one. NSW ICAC is quite happy bashing the ALP in NSW, thank'ee very much. NSW ALP has always been, just like the NSW Tories rather on the nose.
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So you complain that ICAC is ALP bashing by exposing corruption, in NSW. Corruption of illegal donations covered up and paid to ALP for the expressed purpose of buying favour of the ALP???[/quote]

The ALP deserves investigation just as much as the Tories do. When we see Gladys Liu being investigated, along with all the other crooked politicians amongst the Muppets who make up our present government, I will be satisfied. Let us put all the dirty laundry out - ALL of it.

Oh, and don't call me "dude".

[brian ross]

This is why I dislike the mindset of people being rusted on to one particular party (any party) for life. They don't care about cleaning up corruption. They just put their blinkers on, stick their fingers in their ears and call it 'bashing'. The mind boggles. No party is immune and they all need to be weeded out. State and Federal.

Such high words coming from an arche-Tory.

[Outlaw Yogi]

... Gladys Liu has been a member of a Chinese organisation with close ties to the Chinese Government for over 10 years, yet according to ScoMo, that's perfectly acceptable...

Must admit I've got doubts/concerns about Gladys Liu.
ScoMo & Co stuck up for her and inferred "nothing to worry about here".
I figured they (Libs) know her better than me so maybe she's OK.
Then I read where she cut the cake at a 70th anniversary celebration of Communist Party rule in China in Sydney.

Non commies don't celebrate Communist Party rule period!

[Outlaw Yogi]

Brian ... your continual attempts to turn opinions on topics/issues in to personal failings on OB's part reminds me of Joh Bjelkie berating Jana Went "You, you, you ...".

But on a more serious note it's reminiscent of Aussie's constant harassment of Animal Mother when AM was mod.
Aussie's motive was to drive AM away so heBrian ... your continual attempts to turn opinions on topics/issues in to personal failings on OB's part reminds me of Joh Bjelkie berating Jana Went "You, you, you ...".

But on a more serious note it's reminiscent of Aussie's constant harassment of Animal Mother when AM was mod.
Aussie's motive was to drive AM away so he could become mod.
After time Aussie did become mod, then we all quit ... and eventually Aussie was banished for life.

[brian ross]

Errr, you appear to be repeating yourself there...

[Black Orchid]

Please stop derailing the topic with personal bias, Brian.

[brian ross]

Please stop derailing the topic with personal bias, Brian.

How is pointing out that Yogi has repeated himself, a "personal bias", Black Orchid?

You appear to be grasping at straws.

[The Reboot]

But on a more serious note it's reminiscent of Aussie's constant harassment of Animal Mother when AM was mod.
Aussie's motive was to drive AM away so he could become mod.
After time Aussie did become mod, then we all quit ... and eventually Aussie was banished for life.

That's because Briny is the 'Arsie of PA'. Just without the creepy stalker shit.