The Wall is Coming

[Black Orchid]

Clinton supporting 'physical barrier' on Mexico border 2006 ...

[Black Orchid]

[brian ross]

Get over your Trump Derangement Syndrome it's embarrassing.

Oh, so asking questions about how Trump proposes to pay for his wall is now a symptom of being "deranged", Black Orchid. How nice. I'll keep asking the questions until Serial sees fit to answer them.

[Serial Brain 9]

Get over your Trump Derangement Syndrome it's embarrassing.

Oh, so asking questions about how Trump proposes to pay for his wall is now a symptom of being "deranged", Black Orchid. How nice. I'll keep asking the questions until Serial sees fit to answer them.

Once Again,

Brian has dodged a mountain of evidence to support the wall - all the hypocrites that have gone before Trump who have not lived up to their promises

why is that Brian?

[brian ross]

Get over your Trump Derangement Syndrome it's embarrassing.

Oh, so asking questions about how Trump proposes to pay for his wall is now a symptom of being "deranged", Black Orchid. How nice. I'll keep asking the questions until Serial sees fit to answer them.

Once Again,

Brian has dodged a mountain of evidence to support the wall - all the hypocrites that have gone before Trump who have not lived up to their promises

why is that Brian?

You answer my questions first, stop attempting to avoid them.

Just in case you declare you cannot find them...

Americans are going to be forced to pay for the wall. QED.

Mexico is already paying for it after Trump renegotiated a new trade deal saving America Billions of dollars

Lets examine that a little more closely (and rationally), shall we?

NAFTA is no more. Now it is called USMCA.

Here are the biggest changes:

Country of origin rules: Automobiles must have 75 percent of their components manufactured in Mexico, the US, or Canada to qualify for zero tariffs (up from 62.5 percent under NAFTA).

Labor provisions: 40 to 45 percent of automobile parts have to be made by workers who earn at least $16 an hour by 2023. Mexico has also agreed to pass laws giving workers the right to union representation, extending labor protections to migrant workers, and protecting women from discrimination. The countries can also sanction one another for labor violations.

US farmers get more access to the Canadian dairy market: The US got Canada to open up its dairy market to US farmers, which was a big issue for Trump.

Intellectual property and digital trade: The deal extends the terms of copyright to 70 years beyond the life of the author (up from 50). It also extends the period that a pharmaceutical drug can be protected from generic competition, and includes new provisions to deal with the digital economy, including prohibiting duties on things like music and e-books, and protections for internet companies so they’re not liable for content their users produce.

No section 232 tariff protections: Section 232 is a trade loophole that Trump used to impose steel and aluminum tariffs on Canada, Mexico, and the European Union. Canada and Mexico wanted protections from these tariffs as part of the NAFTA negotiations, and the fact that tariffs are still in place remains a sore subject, particularly for Canada. Canada and Mexico did get the US to make a side agreement that shields them from possible auto tariffs under 232.

Sunset clause: The agreement adds a 16-year “sunset” clause — meaning the terms of the agreement expire, or “sunset,” after a set period of time. The deal is also subject to a review every six years, at which point the US, Mexico, and Canada can decide to extend the USMCA.

[Source]

So, care to demonstrate how any of those changes are going to make Mexico pay for a wall which America wants to erect? Mmmm? Lets see some substance to your claims that Mexico will pay for a change, rather than just your airy-fairy bullshit. I want to see PROOF that Mexico will pay.

So, Serial?

[Serial Brain 9]

Get over your Trump Derangement Syndrome it's embarrassing.

Oh, so asking questions about how Trump proposes to pay for his wall is now a symptom of being "deranged", Black Orchid. How nice. I'll keep asking the questions until Serial sees fit to answer them.

Once Again,

Brian has dodged a mountain of evidence to support the wall - all the hypocrites that have gone before Trump who have not lived up to their promises

why is that Brian?

[brian ross]

Get over your Trump Derangement Syndrome it's embarrassing.

Oh, so asking questions about how Trump proposes to pay for his wall is now a symptom of being "deranged", Black Orchid. How nice. I'll keep asking the questions until Serial sees fit to answer them.

Once Again,

Brian has dodged a mountain of evidence to support the wall - all the hypocrites that have gone before Trump who have not lived up to their promises

why is that Brian?

You answer my questions first, stop attempting to avoid them.

Just in case you declare you cannot find them...

Americans are going to be forced to pay for the wall. QED.

Mexico is already paying for it after Trump renegotiated a new trade deal saving America Billions of dollars

Lets examine that a little more closely (and rationally), shall we?

NAFTA is no more. Now it is called USMCA.

Here are the biggest changes:

Country of origin rules: Automobiles must have 75 percent of their components manufactured in Mexico, the US, or Canada to qualify for zero tariffs (up from 62.5 percent under NAFTA).

Labor provisions: 40 to 45 percent of automobile parts have to be made by workers who earn at least $16 an hour by 2023. Mexico has also agreed to pass laws giving workers the right to union representation, extending labor protections to migrant workers, and protecting women from discrimination. The countries can also sanction one another for labor violations.

US farmers get more access to the Canadian dairy market: The US got Canada to open up its dairy market to US farmers, which was a big issue for Trump.

Intellectual property and digital trade: The deal extends the terms of copyright to 70 years beyond the life of the author (up from 50). It also extends the period that a pharmaceutical drug can be protected from generic competition, and includes new provisions to deal with the digital economy, including prohibiting duties on things like music and e-books, and protections for internet companies so they’re not liable for content their users produce.

No section 232 tariff protections: Section 232 is a trade loophole that Trump used to impose steel and aluminum tariffs on Canada, Mexico, and the European Union. Canada and Mexico wanted protections from these tariffs as part of the NAFTA negotiations, and the fact that tariffs are still in place remains a sore subject, particularly for Canada. Canada and Mexico did get the US to make a side agreement that shields them from possible auto tariffs under 232.

Sunset clause: The agreement adds a 16-year “sunset” clause — meaning the terms of the agreement expire, or “sunset,” after a set period of time. The deal is also subject to a review every six years, at which point the US, Mexico, and Canada can decide to extend the USMCA.

[Source]

So, care to demonstrate how any of those changes are going to make Mexico pay for a wall which America wants to erect? Mmmm? Lets see some substance to your claims that Mexico will pay for a change, rather than just your airy-fairy bullshit. I want to see PROOF that Mexico will pay.

So, Serial?

[Serial Brain 9]

im not sure what you can't see with your cherry picked list

for one - Levelling the auto playing field will save 10s of thousands of jobs in the US and allow them to compete "nearly" equally against its partners.

America sells more cars.

So it keeps American jobs in America which means the taxes stay in America from those companies

It also allows more components to be made in the US instead of say - being imported from China
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keeps 10s of thousands of jobs in America and taxes from those companies stays in America

Companies are already coming back into America - Taxes stay in America

Canada had something like 120% Tariffs on the US dairy industry - now playing field levelling = more exports for farmers more wealth for America

Intellectual property being stolen or used - by extending the terms of copyright to 70 years will keep American companies protected and jobs stay in America = Taxes stay in America for longer

Steel industries are firing back up and/or news ones being built - wealth being created in the US, American workers going back to work and off the unemployment benefits and food stamps'

then those workers spend their money in America - Tax cuts allows them to keep more of THEIR money - which goes back into the economy creating even more jobs and wealth.

im not sure why this is so hard for you to understand Brian - Trump is levelling out a lopsided playing field and we are already seeing the benefits and wealth being created

correcting the Trade imbalances will keep money in America and IT WILL PAY FOR THE WALL MANY TIMES OVER

[brian ross]

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[brian ross]

im not sure what you can't see with your cherry picked list

for one - Levelling the auto playing field will save 10s of thousands of jobs in the US and allow them to compete "nearly" equally against its partners.

America sells more cars.

So it keeps American jobs in America which means the taxes stay in America from those companies

It also allows more components to be made in the US instead of say - being imported from China
'
keeps 10s of thousands of jobs in America and taxes from those companies stays in America

Companies are already coming back into America - Taxes stay in America

Canada had something like 120% Tariffs on the US dairy industry - now playing field levelling = more exports for farmers more wealth for America

Intellectual property being stolen or used - by extending the terms of copyright to 70 years will keep American companies protected and jobs stay in America = Taxes stay in America for longer

Steel industries are firing back up and/or news ones being built - wealth being created in the US, American workers going back to work and off the unemployment benefits and food stamps'

then those workers spend their money in America - Tax cuts allows them to keep more of THEIR money - which goes back into the economy creating even more jobs and wealth.

im not sure why this is so hard for you to understand Brian - Trump is levelling out a lopsided playing field and we are already seeing the benefits and wealth being created

correcting the Trade imbalances will keep money in America and IT WILL PAY FOR THE WALL MANY TIMES OVER

See actually addressing the points isn't as hard as you appeared to believe they would be, Serial, now was it?

So, Serial, what effectively you are saying is that America, not Mexico, will pay for the wall? I note no mention of how money was to be extracted from Mexico to pay for the wall.

As to why you feel you have to mention China in a discussion about US-Mexico trade relations, I have absolutely no idea except it appears to demonstrate that you are desperate to deflect the discussion.

Now, how is this not a betrayal by Trump of his election promise that he would make Mexico pay for the wall? Well?