Choosing a Gun

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Re: Choosing a Gun

Post by Grendel » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:33 pm

mellie wrote:
Grendel wrote:A nutter with a nutter for a Mother.

Testify!
Yep, and I think there was a bit more going on than Aspergers syndrome.

Just so tragic, I would hate to be in the fathers shoes right now.

:?

The way 'unwell' people dissolve into the system, and effectively become non-persons until something tragic like this strikes is perhaps something society can learn from.

Not just American society, but all societies around the world.

Preventions better than cure.

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Re: Choosing a Gun

Post by mantra » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:34 pm

boxy wrote:A narcissistic society, more enamoured with individualism, than worrying about building a healthy society, that supports those who can't cope on their own? Because, seriously, it's not a one off issue, that you can blame on a bad parent. This. keeps. happening.
No one wants to send a 13-year old genius who loves Harry Potter and his snuggle animal collection to jail. But our society, with its stigma on mental illness and its broken healthcare system, does not provide us with other options. Then another tortured soul shoots up a fast food restaurant. A mall. A kindergarten classroom. And we wring our hands and say, “Something must be done.”
Interesting article and the mother/author obviously doesn't know what to do either. She seems to waste so much time arguing with this boy and getting nowhere aside from enraging him more. Some of these parents need to be taught techniques to calm the child down. Engaging in conflict has the opposite effect.

Intervention should begin as soon as these children start school.
According to Mother Jones, since 1982, 61 mass murders involving firearms have occurred throughout the country. (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... otings-map" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). Of these, 43 of the killers were white males, and only one was a woman. Mother Jones focused on whether the killers obtained their guns legally (most did). But this highly visible sign of mental illness should lead us to consider how many people in the U.S. live in fear, like I do.

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Re: Choosing a Gun

Post by boxy » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:35 pm

God, that last link stinks so heavily of 20-20 hindsight, mel :roll:

Loner... trenchcoats... needy... goth... weapons... "ticking time bomb"...

Talk about a clichéfest. And they all just kept on keeping on, ignoring the (seeming) "inevitable"?
"But you will run your fluffy bunny mouth at me. And I will take it, to play poker."

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Re: Choosing a Gun

Post by mellie » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:48 pm

boxy wrote:God, that last link stinks so heavily of 20-20 hindsight, mel :roll:

Loner... trenchcoats... needy... goth... weapons... "ticking time bomb"...

Talk about a clichéfest. And they all just kept on keeping on, ignoring the (seeming) "inevitable"?
Cliché perhaps, but sadly, all too familiar.

I agree with Mantra re- early intervention being crucial.

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Re: Choosing a Gun

Post by Grendel » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:55 pm

Intervention should begin as soon as these children start school.
Fuck that. Put them in a funny farm with their equally fucked up mothers and the other fucked up shitheads. Why do we have to wait for them (cue Bryant) to murder many before we act. The mothers of these fuckers know all too well what criminal acts they are capable of, shit, they are even victim of it. They bleat about it after their little turds kill, and seek sympathy. Fuck you mother. Have your lunatic kid put away before he kills others because you have kept him hidden. In the real world, we put arseholes away, and mothers, your arsehole kids should not be exempt.

You hide and protect them, and when they bust loose you want sympathy.

Fuck yaz!

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Re: Choosing a Gun

Post by Jovial Monk » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:56 pm

The fucking lunatic that insists on infesting this place gibbered back a few pages:
Just awful, far too many school shootings in America, something has to change for the better.

How about Obama gets his finger out and implements new gun legislation?

Ok, it wont be well received, in fact, he will without a doubt lose the next election but hey...at least he will retire with the right kinda bang, this and be forever known as the president who thought enough about the kids to sacrifice his own presidency.
Presidents only get two terms over there, he won’t lose the next election because he won’t fucking run! Don’t you have a baby to look after, lunatic?

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Re: Choosing a Gun

Post by boxy » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:03 pm

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mellie wrote:
boxy wrote:God, that last link stinks so heavily of 20-20 hindsight, mel :roll:

Loner... trenchcoats... needy... goth... weapons... "ticking time bomb"...

Talk about a clichéfest. And they all just kept on keeping on, ignoring the (seeming) "inevitable"?
Cliché perhaps, but sadly, all too familiar.
That's the point... sheeple know what to say when the media sticks a camera in their face, if they want to get the their head on the box.

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Re: Choosing a Gun

Post by mantra » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:17 pm

Grendel wrote:
Intervention should begin as soon as these children start school.
Fuck that. Put them in a funny farm with their equally fucked up mothers and the other fucked up shitheads. Why do we have to wait for them (cue Bryant) to murder many before we act. The mothers of these fuckers know all too well what criminal acts they are capable of, shit, they are even victim of it. They bleat about it after their little turds kill, and seek sympathy. Fuck you mother. Have your lunatic kid put away before he kills others because you have kept him hidden. In the real world, we put arseholes away, and mothers, your arsehole kids should not be exempt.

You hide and protect them, and when they bust loose you want sympathy.

Fuck yaz!
I agree with you because ultimately many of these children only get worse when they hit puberty, but we don't have funny farms for 5 year olds. I think it was Carr who abolished mental asylums in NSW - or perhaps it was whoever was before him, but it's been a huge mistake. I don't know what the other states do about this problem. It seems it's the male who can't be controlled.

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Re: Choosing a Gun

Post by mellie » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:25 pm

Grendel wrote:
Intervention should begin as soon as these children start school.
Fuck that. Put them in a funny farm with their equally fucked up mothers and the other fucked up shitheads. Why do we have to wait for them (cue Bryant) to murder many before we act. The mothers of these fuckers know all too well what criminal acts they are capable of, shit, they are even victim of it. They bleat about it after their little turds kill, and seek sympathy. Fuck you mother. Have your lunatic kid put away before he kills others because you have kept him hidden. In the real world, we put arseholes away, and mothers, your arsehole kids should not be exempt.

You hide and protect them, and when they bust loose you want sympathy.

Fuck yaz!

If we put every kid or adult too for that matter away that demonstrated some degree of mental illness, that or had a neurobiological disorder (Austism) golly, one in four people would be in an institution.

The trouble is, where do you draw the line?

And where would we find the space?

In this case, the mother was unwell too, so probably wasn't capable of taking steps to prevent this tragedy from occurring, was too busy being a "survivalist."

Mentally ill people generally lack both reason and insight, this and become consumed with other things, such as the mother becoming all too consumed with her guns and dooms-day garbage.

Where would have she found the time to take care of her troubled autistic son?
She was too busy polishing her guns preparing for the end of the world after all.

And the father of this boy didn't find this concerning?

The family and their local community all knew something wasn't quite right with this kid and his mother, but like China re- the pedestrians wearing blinkers walking past an injured child who had been hit on the road, they turned the other way.

If you want to blame someone/something, blame a sick society and it's social disintegration.

If you feel you need to take this one step further again, blame those who are responsible for social policy and who pass legislation enabling these unstable people to gain access to firearms to begin with.

I mean, who else can you blame?

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Re: Choosing a Gun

Post by IQS.RLOW » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:53 am

People die, mental cases will always happen

Get over it.

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