Smoot Hawley Act

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Leftofcentresalterego

The minnow that became a whale - the Smoot-Hawley story

Post by Leftofcentresalterego » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:18 pm

Smoot-Hawley. The name fairly leaps from the page. The root of all evil, the single congressional act that singlehandedly turned a small market shock into the great depresssion.

We have all heard of the effects of this darsardly deed that supposedly plunged the world in the the greatest slump in modern history - how US tariffs were hiked to historic highs, prompting protests and bitter retaliation from around the world, greatly exacerbating the downturn.

But how much of this is fact - and how much is crap?

Leaving Smoot-Hawley aside for just a moment, let's consider this - the current global meltdown has occurred in an era of the free-est trade that has existed in nearly a century. So it's already clear that free trade cannot prevent severe recession. Indeed, the globalised finance system seems to have ensured that what is originally a US problem has now been spread throughout the world like a virus. So what's the solution? According the gurus of Davos (which is in reality, an overblown salesmans trade fair), the answer is simple - more of the same. Apparrently, the most liberalised trade since before WW1 just isn't liberal enough and "protectionist interference" such anti-dumping laws and national interest regulations must go.

But back to Smoot-Hawley. Named after it's two sponsors, Senator Read Smoot and Representative Willis Hawley, the act did indeed raise tariffs. But according to some researchers such as Alfred Eckes, that's about the extent of the truth in the most widely repeated version of events.

The great crash came in October 1929. Smoot-Hawley was not introduced until over eight months later, by which time the depression was underway.

Eckes disputes the claim that tariffs were raised to historic highs. The average duty on dutiable goods under the act was 44.9% He points to two periods previous where average duties were higher at 48.4% and 46.5% during the 1890's. There is also another important difference - in the late 1800's, roughly half of all goods entered the US duty free - under Smoot-Hawley, two-thirds did.

From 1929 to 1932, imports of dutiable and duty free goods fell at almost exactly the same, suggesting that if Smoot-Hawley disrupted world trade, as is often claimed, it can't have been by much and the global collapse was continuing to roll on under it's own steam regardless of a single US congressional act.

While it is commonly claimed that the act caused a storm of protest from around the world, US diplomatic records only show 3 countries lodging formal protests. It is impossible to discern how many countries raised tariffs in response to Smoot-Hawley and how many did it simply in response to the depression.



I am not convinced of the widom of the new free trade agreement recently signed by Australia (modelling done in 2000 by a private firm contracted to the Howard govt), due to take effect next year, or more specifically, I am not convinced of the wisdom of the total abolition of the textile, clothing and footwear tariff to zero. Despite the lowdown act by the management of pacific brands and the debt they are carrying, perhaps they have seen the way in which the wind is now blowing for Australian TCF manufacturers and have acted accordingly. The last vestiges of that industry will surely dissapear from this country, along with the capital goods and the skilled labour necessary for this island in the Pacific to be able to clothe ourselves if the need ever arose. If it becomes uneconomical for an entire country to feed and clothe itself, I say that something is seriously amiss with the system and that country is courting long-term disaster.

This deal had better be fuckin' worth it :x

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Re: Smoot Hawley Act

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Re: Smoot Hawley Act

Post by JW Frogen » Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:57 pm

Actually your case is somewhat undermined by the reference to higher tariffs in the 1890s, as America experienced a depression in the 1890s, she simply recovered more quickly because when did not attempt to borrow and spend her way out of it.

The percentage of tariffs in an economic down turn is not as important as a change in tariffs upwards, any change to greater tarrifs during an economic contraction panics investors and business owners,( you know, the people who actually create jobs), for they do not know how high such tariffs will actually go and how other markets will respond.

Imagine you own an Australian business based on export manufacturing to the US, the US raises tariffs, are you going to hire more people and invest in more capacity in an economic down turn?

Fuck no, you are going to fire people, save money and try to wait it out. Same on the other side.

I am not completely against tariffs or protecting critical industries, but to play around with them in global down turns is disastrous regardless of the percentages.

Economics is as much about psychology as it is money.

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Re: Smoot Hawley Act

Post by Jovial Monk » Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:57 pm

That is because economics is a study of human behavior.

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Re: Smoot Hawley Act

Post by JW Frogen » Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:23 pm

With trade tarrifs the words of that fat, black Java of soul Aretha Franklin (not to be confused with my fat urethra spanken) are instructive,

Who is smooten who?

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Smoot-Hawley

Post by Leftofcentresalterego » Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:00 pm

Actually Frogen, I was hoping you might pass comment the claim that tariffs were raised to historic highs when they seemingly were not.

Or the argument that quite a lot more goods came in duty free under Smoot-Hawley than in the late 1800's. Oh thats right, you did - but you dismissed it as insignificant.

Or the argument that US imports of dutiable and duty-free goods fell at almost the same rate after the passing of the act.

Or the argument that claims of a storm of protest from around the world do not seem to be reflected in diplomatic records.




Not too sure what particular manufactured goods Australian producers export to the US in sufficient enough qauntities to be considered a threat to US jobs. I will check up but they are probably largely niche markets which have already folded or are struggling, with or without tariffs. Things that we could effectively compete with US producers such as sugar, were specifically excluded from the FTA - the US simply said no. So much for free trade there.

On that, what are you going to do when you find out that all tariffs and industry protections shielding your local industry from unbeatable - and perhaps unfair ( dumping, currency manipulation) - competition are to be withdrawn? Are you going to hire more people and invest in more capacity during an economic downturn(or ever)? Fuck no! You are going to fire people, save money and move to China (after doubling or trebling executive renumeration).

If we shouldn't mess around with tariffs during a downturn then why are we reducing them to zero in some areas? I think the results are predictable (I guess they assume that the downturn will be over by the time this takes effect).

Postul8, would you be able to paste the Alan Kohler article here, since I can't seem to access it - though having read plenty of his comments previously, I have a fair idea of the content.

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Smoot-Hawley

Post by Leftofcentresalterego » Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:28 pm

Some interesting statisitcs about our free trade with the US.

Seems the only major manufactured products we export to them are passenger motor vehicles - $678 million worth in 2007-2008.

During the same period, we imported passenger motor vehicles from the US - $930 million worth.

There must be more to it but I can't help thinking that that isn't such a good deal. In fact, we imported well over twice as much in dollar terms from them as we exported to them. I hope it was worth it.



Look, I'm not oppsed to free trade itself. I am opposed to this false dichotomy - we must have totally unfettered trade in any and all areas. Anything else is undesirable protectionism. Horseshit!

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Re: Smoot Hawley Act

Post by Jovial Monk » Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:20 am

The US FTA, which we should never have signed, is responsible for much of our trade deficit. The yanks really fear competition it seems.

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Re: Smoot-Hawley

Post by JW Frogen » Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:45 pm

Leftofcentresalterego wrote:Actually Frogen, I was hoping you might pass comment the claim that tariffs were raised to historic highs when they seemingly were not..
I did, I pointed out that the period with higher tariffs also suffered a depression.

The amount of tariff rise in an economic contraction is not as important as the psychological effect of raising tariffs when investors and business are trying to determine whether to invest in the decreased price of assets or fire people and cost cut to weather the storm.

Tariff raises panic investors and business in these bad economic environments, as they do not know where it will end or how their foreign markets will respond.

I am not against some trade protection in principal, for instance I think Australia is right to protect it's pharmaceutical benefits scheme, America right to subsidize and protect agriculture, China has used a very clever protectionist and dumping strategy, combined with cheap labor to become a dominant economic power, but in a global downturn all parties should stay with status quo and attempt to stabilize and calm markets, allowing the fall in asset prices to kick start investment and consumption again.

Tariff rises in an economic down turn is a very bad idea.

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Smoot-Hawley

Post by Leftofcentresalterego » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:20 pm

I did, I pointed out that the period with higher tariffs suffered a depression
Or did the period that was first struck by depression then introduce higher tariffs after the recession/depression had begun? Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

I would draw your attention once more to the fact that what is shaping up to be the worst slump since the great depression itself has occurred while the free-est trade regime in almost a century was already in place. Inescapable conclusion - tariffs and other forms of protection cannot realistically be regarded as the ultimate cause of recession/depression.

Or do we believe the gurus of Davos - that even the most liberalised trade for a hundred years just isn't free enough. That we only need to remove the last vestiges of protection (the last tariffs, anti-dumping regulation, quarrantine measures etc) and everything will magically come good?

Certainly, the last great free trade period did not prevent the outbreak of World War 1 - despite the fact the the combatants had only just previously been the closest and most intimate of trading parteners.

The amount of tariff rise in an economic contraction is not as important as the pshychological effect of rasining tariffs when investors and business are trying to determine weather to invest in the decreased price of assets or fire people and cut costs to weather the storm
I should have mentioned that previously because I think that is a valid argument. Smoot-Hawley was fiercely debated in congress for almost 18 months before it was passed. No doubt, the long period of uncertainty was not helpfull. But I would argue that this effect was far more damaging than the tariff schedule itself. Had it been passed quickly, everyone would have known where they stood.
Tariff rises in an economic downturn is a very bad idea
And yet slashing tariffs to zero has not prevented local industry from abandoning local production and fleeing to a rice bowl country.

No matter how cheap you become - there is always someone cheaper down the road.

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