Greens hammer another nail in their own coffin

[IQS.RLOW]

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A NEW tax on glass and plastic drink containers could push up an average family's grocery bills by more than $300.
The Greens are heavily lobbying for the container deposit scheme to be introduced nationwide and the federal government supports it.

The scheme could cost some families up to $470 a year more as the new charge pushes up prices on drinks containers by 20c - with industry experts saying it could mean paying $4 more for a case of beer.


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Dear fuckwits

There is a reason why I am forced to pay extra on my rates for an extra fucking bin with a yellow lid that I am forced to separate my rubbish into- now the Greens want to charge me again to load the same rubbish into the back of my car and return it to the same place that the yellow lidded bin contents are delivered

What fucking dickhead votes for these fucking morons?

[mantra]

The Greens have got their timing wrong. Pity! This tax should have been introduced instead of the carbon tax. It covers a vast area and is a lot more palatable for us, but constructive for the environment, than a tax on everything else outside of our control.

[Mattus]

IQ is right, and this policy shows that he greens are more interested in taxation than in reducing environmental damage. Right now the recyclables are collected from our doorstep and recycled. All this will achieve is to make recycling less convenient in an attempt to collect more tax from people who are already doing the right thing.

[mantra]

Mantra and IQ are discussing container deposit legislation. “Matt” shows he originally came from the same place.

Firstly, none of them mentioned the source of the $300 extra this “tax” would impose let alone discuss it.

Although this returning of bottles for a refund, isn't a bad idea - it's no longer practical or economical. Those of us who pay rates will already be paying hundreds of dollars extra a year because of the carbon tax and now they want us to pay another $300 a year towards recycling.

They would find it comes from a very self–interested source, the soft drink industry! Then they say it does the same job as the yellow bin. Nope, a 10¢ a beerbottle/flavored milk carton would ensure much better segregation of recyclables.

Councils have had trouble dealing with the volume of recycables for years. Why impose this tax right now at such an inappropriate time?

Secondly, this brain damaged trio do not refer and maybe do not know that such a scheme operates in SA, introduced by Premier Don Dunstan.

It was a good idea at the time, although I wonder how successful it is in SA and whether the bottles and cardboard are being thrown into landfill anyway as they do in the other states.

Scrap metal can be taken to the same place as beer bottles and milk cartons. Maybe the scheme could be extended to batteries and computer parts. Working computers I take out the hard disk drive (security) and give to the local boy scouts who get a few dollars for them—but how do I dispose of non–working computers/computer accessories/surplus and obsolete cables?

People will just dump their rubbish anywhere if this tax is imposed as they have already started doing due to the increase in fees at the local tip.

There will be some small introductory cost—change labels to include a small notice re the 10¢ (in SA) on the back label—then the stuff costs 10¢ a container more, so save up the containers and take them to the nearby recycling depot at once.

Are you seriously suggesting that we all take our bottles, milk cartons and metal to nominated sites for disposal? There are many people who will find this impossible. What are we supposed to do - drive kms to some depot, or for those who don't drive - catch a bus with their bag of bottles - then wait in a long queue to claim our $2.10 refund?

At this very moment - this tax is too much for anyone to deal with. It should have been introduced years ago when they realised they couldn't cope with the volume of recycables.

[IQS.RLOW]

Jovial Monk wrote:

I stopped reading there.

[Mattus]

“Matt” shows he originally came from the same place.

I don't even know what this means.

I don't know how it works in Adelaide, but in Massachusetts the deposits are redeemed by feeding the cans and bottles into a sort of reverse vending machine in your local supermarket.

The result is that only unemployed people recycle

This is because everyone else can make more than $6 an hour spending their time doing something more productive and pleasant than feeding cans dripping and smelling of stale beer and soda into a machine which only works less than half the time, whilst in the company of some extremely dodgy characters..

Now in nearly all of the parts of Australia that I have lived in, recycling is extremely convenient. Whilst there is no financial benefit for recycling, everyone does it because it is really very convenient. The yellow bin works fine at home and the recycling bins all over the shopping centers work too.

So I, and I'd guess nearly everyone else, will not participate. We'll just pay the extra $3 for a slab. It's simply not worth the hassle when that big yellow bin is right there.

[mantra]

“Matt” shows he originally came from the same place.

I don't even know what this means.

I edited Monk's post when I copied it. His reference to where we came from was disgusting and spoilt what would otherwise have been an acceptable post.

I don't know how it works in Adelaide, but in Massachusetts the deposits are redeemed by feeding the cans and bottles into a sort of reverse vending machine in your local supermarket.

The result is that only unemployed people recycle

This is because everyone else can make more than $6 an hour spending their time doing something more productive and pleasant than feeding cans dripping and smelling of stale beer and soda into a machine which only works less than half the time, whilst in the company of some extremely dodgy characters..

Now in nearly all of the parts of Australia that I have lived in, recycling is extremely convenient. Whilst there is no financial benefit for recycling, everyone does it because it is really very convenient. The yellow bin works fine at home and the recycling bins all over the shopping centers work too.

So I, and I'd guess nearly everyone else, will not participate. We'll just pay the extra $3 for a slab. It's simply not worth the hassle when that big yellow bin is right there.

The irony of this is that the recyclers can't cope and have been closing gradually over the years due to increasing costs. The carbon tax will finish them off.

Can the average person keep paying more? Grog shops and supermarkets will eventually have to introduce alcohol and milk in kegs so we can take our little pails to the shops to be filled up.

There used to be huge wire baskets around shopping centres where people could deposit their cans - but they've disappeared too.