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Science looks to falsify theories. The theory of evolution does not offer anything to falsify: no predictions that can be tested.
Evolution says the fittest survive. . .so those that survive are the fittest.
Pretty much all of you are ignorant morons, talking of what you know nothing about. Not only that, you lot are proud to be morons and just argue to make your particular moronic belief the dominant paradigm.
Just a bunch of tiresome fuckwits.
Evolution says the fittest survive. . .so those that survive are the fittest.
Pretty much all of you are ignorant morons, talking of what you know nothing about. Not only that, you lot are proud to be morons and just argue to make your particular moronic belief the dominant paradigm.
Just a bunch of tiresome fuckwits.
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Science is more than falsifying theory and evolution is is more than survival of the fittest.IQ doing poopies wrote:Science looks to falsify theories. The theory of evolution does not offer anything to falsify: no predictions that can be tested.
Evolution says the fittest survive. . .so those that survive are the fittest.
Pretty much all of you are ignorant morons, talking of what you know nothing about. Not only that, you lot are proud to be morons and just argue to make your particular moronic belief the dominant paradigm.
Just a bunch of tiresome fuckwits.
Enjoy being fucking stupid
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Re: Scientology - weird cult
Actually, scientists are always looking to falsify theories.
The Theory of Evolution doesn’t offer anything that can be falsified.
You are one of the dumbest of fuckwits here.
The Theory of Evolution doesn’t offer anything that can be falsified.
You are one of the dumbest of fuckwits here.
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The whole point of wanting freeloader to answer the question is to find out what is driving his crusade against accepted scientific fact.
Generally pedants can agree to disagree about the exact definition of science and it's application to the science of evolutionary theory but few write page after page on their blog and demand an accepted scientific theory be struck from the curriculum...that is the domain of the fruit loop.
Is FD a fruit loop or a pedant?
Generally pedants can agree to disagree about the exact definition of science and it's application to the science of evolutionary theory but few write page after page on their blog and demand an accepted scientific theory be struck from the curriculum...that is the domain of the fruit loop.
Is FD a fruit loop or a pedant?
Did I say otherwise? Here it is again, my unevolved friendActually, scientists are always looking to falsify theories
Science is more than falsifying theory
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Into the rubbish bin! Cheaper, easier to buy new jocks! My son can’t wipe his arse properly, fuck him! My other kids are OK, why isn’t that drug addict the same?
Science progresses by falsifying theories.
Theory of Evolution offers no way, no prediction to falsify it. In that respect it is not a scientific theory. It is more akin to a scientific Law.
Now watch the dickhead not understand what a scientific Law is
Science progresses by falsifying theories.
Theory of Evolution offers no way, no prediction to falsify it. In that respect it is not a scientific theory. It is more akin to a scientific Law.
Now watch the dickhead not understand what a scientific Law is
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Another false dichotomy.I still don't undertsand your statement either FD. Why do you think evolution is not scientific? (or was it a wind up)
I have explained it earlier. I also put up an article here:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/evolution/evol ... heory.html
IQ, we are discussing whether it is a scientific theory. Your article misses the point a bit. Even scientific laws inevitably get disproven. The term fact has no place in this context. This is the sort of misrepresentation I am talking about.Ergo: the theory of evolution is scientific fact
Why? I am not claiming evolution is wrong.Maybe you should try promoting what you believe is an alternate theory rather
Perhaps you should try to understand my argument before criticising it.Trying unsuccessfully to tear down accepted science for no other reason than pedantry
No I don't.and even wants it to be struck from the curriculum
Obviously it is more, but if you take that part out (falsifiability), it is not science.Science is more than falsifying theory
The only real difference between scientific theory and scientific law is the extent of consensus. As Kuhn said, once the last skeptic dies, it is law.In that respect it is not a scientific theory. It is more akin to a scientific Law.
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First let's start with a statement.
1. Evolution is scientific .
2. They are making predictions using this theory.
The following is evidence ... note evidence.... that they are predicting. The timescales of these prediction are long. So you will have to wait a while for them to occur. I must admit I was hoping to find prediction a little more exiting than these ones. Nevertheless, evolution does enable predictions and they can be validated as time goes on.
10 Predictions for Evolution Over the Next Million Years
Link: http://science.discovery.com/top-ten/fu ... ution.html
So much can happen in a million years. It took us only about 2.5 million years to evolve from the first member of the Homo genus to our current status as Homo sapiens. What changes does evolution have in store for the next million years? We consulted some evolutionary biologists for predictions, most of which concern the next several hundred years.
Before we get going, we should mention that scientists find it much easier to describe the events of the past million years than to predict the next million -- not just easier, but more accurate. Nevertheless, a few took the plunge, and we're passing on to you the predictions they could make with confidence.
No. 10 - Deadlier Malaria
In the past 10,000 years, most humans have changed their way of living. From nomads, we became agriculturists. We now inhabit one place year-round -- often densely -- and we provide habitat, like irrigation ditches, for insects to live. The insects that feed on us, like mosquitoes, now live with us. Over the past million years, we've domesticated them, says Stephen Rich, an evolutionary biologist who studies vector-borne diseases at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst.
Since mosquitoes are residing with us, the parasites found on those insects, like the Plasmodium species that cause malaria, are also living with us. Our close quarters with these parasites will guide their evolution over the next few centuries, says Rich. Because we've made it easy for the malarial parasite to find us and its mosquito hosts, nature isn't selecting for the 'finding host' genes as strongly anymore. Now, the pressure is on other traits the parasite needs to survive, like quickly reproducing inside of our cells, which will probably make the parasite deadlier, says Rich.
No. 9 - Pathogen Arms Race
Since the beginning of medicine, we've attacked the organisms that make us sick. We've swallowed antibiotics to fight bacteria. We've poisoned parasites. We've vaccinated and boosted our immune systems to quell infections. We've put a lot of pressure on the pathogens. The only ones that can survive are those that resist our treatment.
Resistant organisms often survive because they can breed and share genes quickly, faster than we can kill them. Even if we stamp out an infection in a single person, it is difficult to drive a particular pathogen extinct because often some survive in someone, somewhere in the world. There are many reasons for that: People can't afford the effective drugs, they take the wrong drugs or the wrong dose, or they don't take them for the right amount of time. Overall, our efforts to treat infectious disease are driving microbes toward resistance, which means we need new treatments. This arms race will continue as long as we try to suppress or kill organisms that invade us, says Stephen Rich.
No. 8 - Rock-Paper-Scissors
We're not talking about the children's game. But in a way, we are. It's an analogy for a pattern that's so reliable, it has governed lizard mating for hundreds of millions of years, and the scientists who discovered it say it will continue for at least the next million.
Here are the rules: "Ultra-dominant" males (the "rocks") are big and range widely to find females. "Sneaky" males (the "paper") look like females and steal other male'' mates. "Guarding" males (the "scissors") band together to defend territory. And, like the game says, rock beats scissors; paper beats rock and scissors beat paper. The winning lizard mates with the most females. Amazingly, the winning variant of lizard has cycled from rock, to paper, to scissors regularly. No one wins overall, which for lizards, means the survival of all three variants
No. 7 - Evolutionary Pressure from Climate Change
According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the average temperature on the surface of the Earth will warm about 0.2 degrees C each decade for the next 20 years. In about a century from now, the Earth's surface will be an average of 1.8 degrees C warmer than it was between 1980 and 1999, by the IPCC's most conservative estimate.
If that happens, organisms across the globe will have to respond to the warming, says Mark Urban, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Connecticut. They'll need to move, adapt to the new local climate or die, he says
No. 6 - No Evolutionary Pressure from Climate Change
The IPCC's predictions are controversial. Some scientists look at the same climate data as the IPCC group did and conclude that the Earth is not significantly warming. For example, by running different statistical analysis on the same data, Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics found that the 20th century was not significantly warmer than any other century in the last thousand years. Furthermore, they say the Earth may not warm in the next century and may even cool. For experiment's sake, the rest of our predictions will cover what might happen if the Earth warmed as the IPCC predicts
No. 5 - Species Change Their Range
To take the example of North America, under the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC's) predictions, the climate we are used to seeing in the southern United States will pick up and move northward, as biologist Mark Urban describes it. North America's temperature gradient will shift northward. Some organisms will move with it. These emigrants will be organisms that haven't inhabited their current range for very long, thus limiting the time they've had to adapt to local conditions. They will also have bodies built for movement, like birds, wolves and, as we'll see next, insects
No. 4 - Pests (and Diseases) Move North, Too
North America isn't the only continent that has a temperature shift in its forecast. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) predicts that the entire Northern Hemisphere's temperature gradient -- cooler toward the North Pole and warmer towards the equator -- will move north. Ticks and mosquitoes will then shift their ranges north. Then, deer and other wildlife will acquire these pests, whereas these populations had been too far north to acquire them before, says Stephen Rich. And the diseases these insects carry will also move north.
For instance, the lone star tick carries a bacterium that causes a rash and fever in humans called ehrlichiosis. In the Unites States, concentrations of cases have moved from Virginia to Massachusetts, according to Rich, and he says this mirrors warming in the northern states. But whether it's erhlichiosis in Maine or malaria in England, the last word on whether we see more cases of the disease with warming will depend on the strength of local health care.
No. 3 - Species Adjust to Temperature Change
Not all organisms that feel the climate change around them will move. Some will make the best of their new situation and stay put, says Urban. These organisms won't be very mobile, like oak trees. They'll also be genetically diverse, with some individuals in the population adapted to slightly warmer than the local temperature, and some adapted to slightly cooler. Evolution will then have variation to work on. What will happen next is a shift in success. "If the area warms, warmer-adapted organisms that were struggling under cooler temperatures will survive better, have more kids and become favored," says Urban.
No 2 - Species Can't Survive Temperature Change
Falling into a third category, says Urban, are species that can't move to follow their preferred climate and are blocked from adapting, either by a local competitor that replaces them or because there's no variation for selection to work on. They'll be at risk to go locally extinct. Urban gives the example of species at the equator that are already adapted to the hottest temperatures on Earth. If this area warms, and no individuals are adapted to hotter than the hottest temperatures, the species will be at the mercy of processes that mix new variation into the population before most individuals die.
No. 1 - Mountain Lizards Decline
Speaking of extinction, a group of ecologists led by Barry Sinervo of the University of California, Santa Cruz, wanted to understand how climate change would affect lizards. They carried out a local study on lizards in Mexico and found 12 percent of the species went extinct between 1975 and 2009. They uncovered a pattern in the extinctions. As the cooler mountaintops warmed, mountain lizards went extinct, and lowland lizards expanded up the mountains, where it was now warm enough for them to live.
They repeated the study at sites around the world, seeing the same disappearance of cold-adapted lizards from mountaintops with replacement by lowland lizards, the overall result between 1975 and 2009 being 4 percent of the lizard populations at their sites going extinct. By projecting the temperature trends at their global sites and using data on the breeding temperatures and the global distribution of lizards, they predicted that 30 percent of their lizard populations would go extinct by 2080.
1. Evolution is scientific .
2. They are making predictions using this theory.
The following is evidence ... note evidence.... that they are predicting. The timescales of these prediction are long. So you will have to wait a while for them to occur. I must admit I was hoping to find prediction a little more exiting than these ones. Nevertheless, evolution does enable predictions and they can be validated as time goes on.
10 Predictions for Evolution Over the Next Million Years
Link: http://science.discovery.com/top-ten/fu ... ution.html
So much can happen in a million years. It took us only about 2.5 million years to evolve from the first member of the Homo genus to our current status as Homo sapiens. What changes does evolution have in store for the next million years? We consulted some evolutionary biologists for predictions, most of which concern the next several hundred years.
Before we get going, we should mention that scientists find it much easier to describe the events of the past million years than to predict the next million -- not just easier, but more accurate. Nevertheless, a few took the plunge, and we're passing on to you the predictions they could make with confidence.
No. 10 - Deadlier Malaria
In the past 10,000 years, most humans have changed their way of living. From nomads, we became agriculturists. We now inhabit one place year-round -- often densely -- and we provide habitat, like irrigation ditches, for insects to live. The insects that feed on us, like mosquitoes, now live with us. Over the past million years, we've domesticated them, says Stephen Rich, an evolutionary biologist who studies vector-borne diseases at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst.
Since mosquitoes are residing with us, the parasites found on those insects, like the Plasmodium species that cause malaria, are also living with us. Our close quarters with these parasites will guide their evolution over the next few centuries, says Rich. Because we've made it easy for the malarial parasite to find us and its mosquito hosts, nature isn't selecting for the 'finding host' genes as strongly anymore. Now, the pressure is on other traits the parasite needs to survive, like quickly reproducing inside of our cells, which will probably make the parasite deadlier, says Rich.
No. 9 - Pathogen Arms Race
Since the beginning of medicine, we've attacked the organisms that make us sick. We've swallowed antibiotics to fight bacteria. We've poisoned parasites. We've vaccinated and boosted our immune systems to quell infections. We've put a lot of pressure on the pathogens. The only ones that can survive are those that resist our treatment.
Resistant organisms often survive because they can breed and share genes quickly, faster than we can kill them. Even if we stamp out an infection in a single person, it is difficult to drive a particular pathogen extinct because often some survive in someone, somewhere in the world. There are many reasons for that: People can't afford the effective drugs, they take the wrong drugs or the wrong dose, or they don't take them for the right amount of time. Overall, our efforts to treat infectious disease are driving microbes toward resistance, which means we need new treatments. This arms race will continue as long as we try to suppress or kill organisms that invade us, says Stephen Rich.
No. 8 - Rock-Paper-Scissors
We're not talking about the children's game. But in a way, we are. It's an analogy for a pattern that's so reliable, it has governed lizard mating for hundreds of millions of years, and the scientists who discovered it say it will continue for at least the next million.
Here are the rules: "Ultra-dominant" males (the "rocks") are big and range widely to find females. "Sneaky" males (the "paper") look like females and steal other male'' mates. "Guarding" males (the "scissors") band together to defend territory. And, like the game says, rock beats scissors; paper beats rock and scissors beat paper. The winning lizard mates with the most females. Amazingly, the winning variant of lizard has cycled from rock, to paper, to scissors regularly. No one wins overall, which for lizards, means the survival of all three variants
No. 7 - Evolutionary Pressure from Climate Change
According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the average temperature on the surface of the Earth will warm about 0.2 degrees C each decade for the next 20 years. In about a century from now, the Earth's surface will be an average of 1.8 degrees C warmer than it was between 1980 and 1999, by the IPCC's most conservative estimate.
If that happens, organisms across the globe will have to respond to the warming, says Mark Urban, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Connecticut. They'll need to move, adapt to the new local climate or die, he says
No. 6 - No Evolutionary Pressure from Climate Change
The IPCC's predictions are controversial. Some scientists look at the same climate data as the IPCC group did and conclude that the Earth is not significantly warming. For example, by running different statistical analysis on the same data, Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics found that the 20th century was not significantly warmer than any other century in the last thousand years. Furthermore, they say the Earth may not warm in the next century and may even cool. For experiment's sake, the rest of our predictions will cover what might happen if the Earth warmed as the IPCC predicts
No. 5 - Species Change Their Range
To take the example of North America, under the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC's) predictions, the climate we are used to seeing in the southern United States will pick up and move northward, as biologist Mark Urban describes it. North America's temperature gradient will shift northward. Some organisms will move with it. These emigrants will be organisms that haven't inhabited their current range for very long, thus limiting the time they've had to adapt to local conditions. They will also have bodies built for movement, like birds, wolves and, as we'll see next, insects
No. 4 - Pests (and Diseases) Move North, Too
North America isn't the only continent that has a temperature shift in its forecast. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) predicts that the entire Northern Hemisphere's temperature gradient -- cooler toward the North Pole and warmer towards the equator -- will move north. Ticks and mosquitoes will then shift their ranges north. Then, deer and other wildlife will acquire these pests, whereas these populations had been too far north to acquire them before, says Stephen Rich. And the diseases these insects carry will also move north.
For instance, the lone star tick carries a bacterium that causes a rash and fever in humans called ehrlichiosis. In the Unites States, concentrations of cases have moved from Virginia to Massachusetts, according to Rich, and he says this mirrors warming in the northern states. But whether it's erhlichiosis in Maine or malaria in England, the last word on whether we see more cases of the disease with warming will depend on the strength of local health care.
No. 3 - Species Adjust to Temperature Change
Not all organisms that feel the climate change around them will move. Some will make the best of their new situation and stay put, says Urban. These organisms won't be very mobile, like oak trees. They'll also be genetically diverse, with some individuals in the population adapted to slightly warmer than the local temperature, and some adapted to slightly cooler. Evolution will then have variation to work on. What will happen next is a shift in success. "If the area warms, warmer-adapted organisms that were struggling under cooler temperatures will survive better, have more kids and become favored," says Urban.
No 2 - Species Can't Survive Temperature Change
Falling into a third category, says Urban, are species that can't move to follow their preferred climate and are blocked from adapting, either by a local competitor that replaces them or because there's no variation for selection to work on. They'll be at risk to go locally extinct. Urban gives the example of species at the equator that are already adapted to the hottest temperatures on Earth. If this area warms, and no individuals are adapted to hotter than the hottest temperatures, the species will be at the mercy of processes that mix new variation into the population before most individuals die.
No. 1 - Mountain Lizards Decline
Speaking of extinction, a group of ecologists led by Barry Sinervo of the University of California, Santa Cruz, wanted to understand how climate change would affect lizards. They carried out a local study on lizards in Mexico and found 12 percent of the species went extinct between 1975 and 2009. They uncovered a pattern in the extinctions. As the cooler mountaintops warmed, mountain lizards went extinct, and lowland lizards expanded up the mountains, where it was now warm enough for them to live.
They repeated the study at sites around the world, seeing the same disappearance of cold-adapted lizards from mountaintops with replacement by lowland lizards, the overall result between 1975 and 2009 being 4 percent of the lizard populations at their sites going extinct. By projecting the temperature trends at their global sites and using data on the breeding temperatures and the global distribution of lizards, they predicted that 30 percent of their lizard populations would go extinct by 2080.
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A million years? Sure, that is really putting it to the test. Can you tell me what happens if a million years go by and those things don't happen? Oops, we meant to say two million years.10 Predictions for Evolution Over the Next Million Years
Are any of those predictions outside of what I have described as the scientific theory of natural selection?
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Charles Darwin wrote: "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down
Therefore, falsifiableIndustrial melanism
It's up to you to come up with alternate theory or disprove the accepted theory..oh wait, they tried that with creationism and failed miserably
Critics of evolutionary theory tend to fall into one basket. Religious nuts
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Most of which concern the next several hundred years in the predicted posted.freediver wrote:A million years? Sure, that is really putting it to the test. Can you tell me what happens if a million years go by and those things don't happen? Oops, we meant to say two million years.10 Predictions for Evolution Over the Next Million Years
Are any of those predictions outside of what I have described as the scientific theory of natural selection?
"Are any of those predictions outside of what I have described as the scientific theory of natural selection"
You tell me.
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