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How's Obama going?

Post by Super Nova » Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:47 am

Alright you guys and girls in the US. How's Obama going?

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Many Americas I have met supported him last election but think he has done a poor job and will not make it to office this election.

His health proposal got my interest. It's about time the US joined the rest of the western world with universal healthcare.

Also, he looks to be out gunned on the election funds.
Barack Obama has issued a plea for wealthy supporters to give him more money as his re-election campaign faces being outspent by Mitt Romney and the Republican's billionaire backers.

In a phone call from Air Force One, the President reportedly urged leading donors to open their chequebooks to ''meet or exceed what you did in 2008''.


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Re: How's Obama going?

Post by AnimalMother » Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:18 am

It's not looking good for Obama. His core supporters feel betrayed and they're not coughing up the money.

The Republicans are energised, and the Supreme Court decision not to overturn Obamacare will have them voting in droves.

The best Obama can hope for is a big economic recovery, and that's not looking likely at this point.
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Re: How's Obama going?

Post by Mattus » Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:22 pm

Have you moved to the big bad, AM? If so, my condolences.

In fact Obama is still on the front foot. You have to understand that America is not one country to be won over, but rather it's 50 different states.

Now in America's great Orwellian tradition, all states are equal. But some are more equal than others. In order to win office, a candidate needs to win 270 points. They gain points by getting the majority of votes in a state. How many points a state is worth depends on the relative population of that state. California, for example, is worth 55 points. Obama is big in California. Romney is not.

If you wins state, you win all the points for that state.

Romney is big in states like Alabama (9 points) and Nebraska (5 points). Now if you think BillyRay Cornhauler is going to get energized and excited about voting for a Yankee Massachusetts Mexican loving socialist for president you're daft! But even if every redneck and his 37 illegimitimate children are energized enough to catch a bus on voting day it won't make much difference. Whether you win a state by 1% or 100% the score is the same.

As it stands Obama has 142 of the 270 points he needs from "sure thing" states, like California, Illinois (20 points), New York (29 points) and new jersey (14 pts). Romney can count on states like Texas (38 points) and Tennessee (11 points), but all up only has 76 points he can absolutely count on.

So what are the important states then, if most of the election is already decided? Well you're looking at Florida (29 points) and Michigan (16 points) and Ohio (18 points). Absolutely the state of (un)employment is going to play large in states like mish and Ohio. But I think when obamapac and get up start hammering the vulture capital attack ads backed by the "I killed bin laden yo" and reminds mish of who actually owns general motors now, there's a very good chance that he will swing these states blue.

Remember that obama may not be a fantastic commander in chief of the world, but he's an awesome campaigner, while Romney is wooden and out of touch. In the end, I don't think it will even be that close.

Which is a shame, because even though I'm a commie leftwad and proud of it, I would vote fr Romney. And not just so I can tell people at parties that I once shook the hand of the president of the USA, but because the miracle he performed sweeping out corruption a d turning the books around as governor of Massachusetts, in the face of a staunchly liberal state legislature and electorate, was amazing. He's not much chops at the stump, but his business brain is exactly what America needs right now.
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Re: How's Obama going?

Post by AnimalMother » Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:30 pm

Well, Mattus, that analysis is far beyond the depth of my limited knowledge of US politics.

I just hope it's wrong ... but it could be right.
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Re: How's Obama going?

Post by Super Nova » Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:00 pm

Matt,

I learned alot about how the process works in the US from your post. Thanks for that.

I concluded there are 4 or 5 states that need to be followed and the rest is a done deal.
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Re: How's Obama going?

Post by Super Nova » Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:54 am

Another poor unemployment statistic this week in the US. Not looking good....

Can he shake all this doom and gloom off and win again.
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Re: How's Obama going?

Post by AiA in Atlanta » Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:05 am

People who understand the electoral math say that Romney cannot win without Florida but Obama can. What makes this interesting is that the ruling Republican hierarchy in Florida has recently gotten caught purging the voter roles in a shady manner. Other Republican states have passed laws making it more difficult to vote in the last couple of years. Why do Republicans do this? Wouldn't it make more sense to make it easier for all Americans to vote? Not to Republicans. You see, the elderly, the disenfranchised, the sick, the poor, and minorities all tend to vote Democratic and these are the voters who will have a harder time voting in November.

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Re: How's Obama going?

Post by Super Nova » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:17 am

What, the land of the free makes it hard to vote. Tell me this is not so.
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Re: How's Obama going?

Post by mantra » Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:24 am

AiA in Atlanta wrote:People who understand the electoral math say that Romney cannot win without Florida but Obama can. What makes this interesting is that the ruling Republican hierarchy in Florida has recently gotten caught purging the voter roles in a shady manner. Other Republican states have passed laws making it more difficult to vote in the last couple of years. Why do Republicans do this? Wouldn't it make more sense to make it easier for all Americans to vote? Not to Republicans. You see, the elderly, the disenfranchised, the sick, the poor, and minorities all tend to vote Democratic and these are the voters who will have a harder time voting in November.
And that's why the hated Bush won a second term - probably the first one too. They're open about their greediness and corruption to say the least. Is this what the Americans want again? Obama is obviously still spending up big, but some of the cash is finally filtering through to those who need it most so perhaps humanity could win out over capitalism?

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Re: How's Obama going?

Post by AnimalMother » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:00 am

Umm, the Republicans aren't making it harder to vote. All they're doing is making it harder to fake votes, by requiring voters to produce some identification at polling places. They're also removing dead people, pets, and other invalid registrations from the rolls.

It's interesting that the Democrats are up in arms against the idea of making it harder to cheat the system. Almost as if they needed to cheat in order to win ...
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