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Re: meat

Post by Neferti » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:03 pm

mantra wrote:Kangaroo meat doesn't seem to have taken off, although it has been reasonably well promoted. I've only tasted it once and it wasn't a meat I'd try again regardless of it being worm infested or not.

I can't even get stray cats to eat it. I buy mince every couple of days for the magpies and just recently the butcher suggested I try kangaroo mince as it's a bit cheaper. The magpies spat it out and whinged until they got some beef mince and the cats just sniffed at it and walked away. Fortunately the butcher guaranteed they would love it - so I got a refund the next day.

There's something just a little too intense about the smell and flavour to be appealing, but obviously it suits those who like gamey meat or don't have easy access to a butcher.
:rofl You actually buy mince for the Magpies and stray cats? Are you trying to be the Aussie Cat Lady, Mantra? :hlo

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Post by mellie » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:08 pm

Neferti~ wrote:
mantra wrote:Kangaroo meat doesn't seem to have taken off, although it has been reasonably well promoted. I've only tasted it once and it wasn't a meat I'd try again regardless of it being worm infested or not.

I can't even get stray cats to eat it. I buy mince every couple of days for the magpies and just recently the butcher suggested I try kangaroo mince as it's a bit cheaper. The magpies spat it out and whinged until they got some beef mince and the cats just sniffed at it and walked away. Fortunately the butcher guaranteed they would love it - so I got a refund the next day.

There's something just a little too intense about the smell and flavour to be appealing, but obviously it suits those who like gamey meat or don't have easy access to a butcher.
:rofl You actually buy mince for the Magpies and stray cats? Are you trying to be the Aussie Cat Lady, Mantra? :hlo
Many people feed cats and magpies nerf, I know at least 4 people who do...now 5 including Mantra.

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Post by freediver » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:35 pm

You could get a photo of maggots on steak if you left it outside for a few days too. There is nothing inherently unhealthy about hanging the fresh meat on a ute till you get it back to the cold room. I tow my fish around behind me for a long time, then leave them sitting on a kayak in the sun, then in a hot car, till I get some ice on them.

Do you have any evidence of the roo meat for sale for human consumption in Australia being dangerous if handled and prepared properly?

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Re: meat

Post by IQS.RLOW » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:38 pm

then leave them sitting on a kayak in the sun, then in a hot car
Another example of why you are not respected as a fisherman
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Post by freediver » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:56 pm

No need to be a drama queen IQ.

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Re: meat

Post by IQS.RLOW » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:03 pm

freediver wrote:No need to be a drama queen IQ.
Truth is not drama...not that I would expect you to know the difference.

You and truth are not very well acquainted
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Re: meat

Post by mantra » Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:53 am

Freediver wrote:There is nothing inherently unhealthy about hanging the fresh meat on a ute till you get it back to the cold room. I tow my fish around behind me for a long time, then leave them sitting on a kayak in the sun, then in a hot car, till I get some ice on them.
Each to their own. I am not a fisherman, but according to a professional - freshly caught fish left in the sun for a while are not at their best unless they're filleted and soaked in brine immediately. Still you would have some idea of when the fish start to go off.
The bacteria in the fishes' flesh, gills, gullet and stomach, multiply rapidly. Out of the cool water, the warm temperatures allow them to multiply at a fantastic rate.

Fish just out of the water, left in the sun, decays at a rate some 5 times faster, than a land animal in similar circumstances.

Leaving fish in a fish bin for some hours without cooling is a cardinal sin. As you add more fish to the bin, the accumulative effect of the heat build up increases, as each fish is added.

The fish at the bottom literally begin to cook.

If you have no ice, at least cover the spiked fish with a damp sack or towel, the thicker the better. As the sun heats up the cloth, the water in the cloth begins to evaporate, and you have set-up a fairly efficient heat exchange unit.


But

this only works if the wet sack covered bin is in the sun. Covering the bin and then placing it in the shade, builds a pretty efficient oven. The wet sack actually holds the heat built up in the bin!

The wet sack heat-exchanger is only a stop-gap.

There is no substitute for ice and heaps of it.

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Re: meat

Post by mantra » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:12 am

Neferti wrote:You actually buy mince for the Magpies and stray cats? Are you trying to be the Aussie Cat Lady, Mantra? :hlo
Cats are not my favourite animal, but so many are abandoned in my area, that when I find the occasional one starving and sick - my instincts are to feed it until I can figure out what to do with it. This method isn't working well, but I'm learning.

As far as magpies are concerned - I vaguely remember you posting something to the effect of feeding them a bit of bread occasionally Neferti. In retrospect I wouldn't do it again - but I began supplementing the feed of a breeding pair about 6 months ago so they wouldn't hunt down the smaller birds to feed their young. They ended up with 4 surviving babies who visit regularly. I don't mind them at all - but would prefer to give them tidbits of meat rather than bread, although I now believe that insects and berries are their main source of food. A kookaburra and its baby visit occasionally as well as a couple of butcher birds. They're not given enough to become dependant on being hand fed, but I love birds - so their antics give me some pleasure in exchange.

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Re: meat

Post by AiA in Atlanta » Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:46 am

No one ever heard of "high" meat?

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Re: meat

Post by mellie » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:05 am

Freediver, it's common sense, something you lack when it comes to chilling meat, as has been demonstrated.

Think about it, it can be a number of hours between kangaroos, ie, the time between slaughtering the first catch of the night to the last is often several hours so tell me, without a laboratory on deck, how on earth would you know what the degree of contamination was when you hand the carcasses over to the processors?

A friend of mine used to go pig shooting and kangaroo shooting in his late teens for a few extra dollars before he moved to Sydney and is the first to admit he himself wont eat wild meat slaughtered this way due to the uncertainty surrounding levels of contamination.

Then theres the newly discovered parasites we need to be concerned with, along with the risk of acquiring toxoplasmosis and a rare type of worm that invades then destroys muscle tissue.

FACT:
Australia has no dedicated research or diagnostic facility to investigate wildlife diseases. Detections of new diseases are handled on an ad hoc basis by government or university laboratories.

http://www.awpc.org.au/kangaroos/book_f ... seases.htm

Look, if you want to take your chances with potentially lethal produce, then by all means Freediver, enjoy, though I think with all due respect i'd rather heed my advice from those 'medically' or 'scientifically' qualified to at least a preliminary opinion , if this is ok with you?


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And i'd just like to add, my friend who shot roos back in the late 80's was of the understanding these carcasses he surrendered were to go to pet-pack, (for pet food), this and genuinely believed he was doing a service to his rural community given at the time, they were in plague proportions this and were over grazing and compromising the survival of our other wildlife, grass-fed produce and even food crops.

He was actually quite surprised and concerned to learn (about a decade later after moving to Sydney) that the roos he and his mates had been shooting for sport and culling purposes and stuffing into the back of their fly-blown utes for several hours, sometimes days (they would go out all weekend) had found it's way to our restaurant tables and supermarket shelves and was being sold for human consumption.

Do you suppose the health department periodically check the hygiene compliance of recreational shooters who leave these carcasses dangling off the sides or in the back of their utes covered in flies for several hours, days even, before they make their way to the processing factory to offload their catch?

Lol, if so, you are stupider than you look Freediver, if this is even possible. 8-)

OUR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T GIVE A CRAP, THEIR PHILOSOPHY IS IF PEOPLE ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO BUY AND EAT IT, THEN SO BE IT.
THE ONLY TIME THEY CARED WAS WHEN OTHER NATIONS AROUND THE WORLD STARTED CONDUCTING TESTS OF THEIR OWN (IE THE UK AND RUSSIA) THEN REFUSED TO BUY IT, AND EVEN THEN, THEY MANAGED TO KEEP THE RATIONAL FOR THEIR HAVING TURNED THEIR NOSES UP AT OUR ROO-MEAT INDUSTRY RELATIVELY LOW-KEY.

See, my ex-roo shooting friend wont eat roo meat because he knows where it comes from and how it's treated before it makes it's way to our supermarket shelves, and this my friend was enough for me.

When asked if he'd consume his own freshly caught kangaroo meat, he said yes, though this was a number of years ago now, well before the outbreak of toxoplasmosis and a number of other newly discovered worms and parasites known to infest even the freshest of roo meat.

But again, good luck with it Freediver, each to their own...and if one day you discover paralysis in your spear-fishing arm this and generalised weakness, this or start feeling a bit 'funny' in the head you will know where to start when it comes to alerting the health authorities and sorting medical treatment.

Not that it will be of much use, given once the damage is done, it's done, they aren't like other worms you can take a pill for and be cured overnight.

These worms and parasites render the patents with long-term and latent effects, even neurological and congenital damage has been documented.

Take care.

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