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Following the POMs on the Price of Alcohol

Post by Super Nova » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:43 am

This has been a big issue here over the last few days. The announcement brought forward to distract the media from the Granny Tax in the budget.

However I am very surprised to see an article of Australian Greenies thinking about this.

There are argument here like:
- it is a tax on the normal drinker
- They will now move to dope and other drugs because Alcohol is too expensive and they need something to get off their faced on
- The increase in under 50s dying of liver disease is just growing every year
- It's going to really effect the poor..... the poor piss heads

I remember when I went out into the world at 18 years... having cheap piss was essentual. We coukld not afford the good stuff. So I pity the young, the uni student.... not the hard core pisshead.

I see the same drinking behaviours over here as in Australia....

What do you Aussie's at home think of this proposal?
Will it be poltiically possible?
What the f..k are the Greens doing proposing this?


http://www.theage.com.au/national/follo ... 1vsim.html
BRITAIN'S decision to lift the minimum price of alcohol in a bid to counter widespread drunkenness should prompt the Australian government to rethink its refusal to increase taxes on cheap grog, Greens health spokesman Dr Richard Di Natale says.

The British government late last week announced it would almost double the floor price of cheap, strong drinks such as cider and wine to "turn the tide" against binge drinking, which accounts for half of all alcohol consumed there.

The move means a cheap bottle of wine costing about $4.45 would rise to $5.60 and a strong lager would rise from $1.11 a can to $1.79.

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In Australia, the Henry review in May 2010 recommended volumetric taxation on alcohol be introduced to ensure drinks were taxed according to their strength. That move would have significantly increased the price of cask wine, which has been identified as a major culprit in binge drinking, but the government rejected any major changes while there was a glut in the wine industry.

Senator Di Natale said it appeared the government was not prepared to take on some vested interests even though there were several big players in the industry who favoured tax change.

"We would call on the government to follow the lead of the United Kingdom government to treat this is as a public health issue," he said.

"Alcohol abuse and dependence costs Australia over $30 billion a year.

"We are putting the interests of some people in the alcohol industry ahead of the public health of Australians."

There remained a "worrying increase in binge drinking among young people in Australia", Senator Di Natale said.

If the government were serious about closing the gap for indigenous Australians in health and other outcomes, an increase in the floor price of alcohol should form an important part of any policy.

Trish Worth, who chairs the alcohol industry's public education group, DrinkWise, said lifting the floor price seemed a simplistic solution to a complex problem that appeared to be significantly worse in Britain than in Australia.

Ms Worth said research was showing signs of improvement in Australia, such as adults moderating their drinking habits in front of their children.

Increasing the price of alcohol would hit all consumers.


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Re: Following the POMs on the Price of Alcohol

Post by mantra » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:02 pm

Super Nova wrote: However I am very surprised to see an article of Australian Greenies thinking about this.

There are argument here like:
- it is a tax on the normal drinker
- They will now move to dope and other drugs because Alcohol is too expensive and they need something to get off their faced on
- The increase in under 50s dying of liver disease is just growing every year
- It's going to really effect the poor..... the poor piss heads

I remember when I went out into the world at 18 years... having cheap piss was essentual. We coukld not afford the good stuff. So I pity the young, the uni student.... not the hard core pisshead.

I see the same drinking behaviours over here as in Australia....

What do you Aussie's at home think of this proposal?
Will it be poltiically possible?
What the f..k are the Greens doing proposing this?
The Greens are right to a certain extent - but what's the worst evil - excessive alcohol or drugs from unknown sources? It's not a matter of turning to pot - there is a huge variety of party drugs out there for people - much of it dangerous. The cost of mixing drugs and alcohol is probably going to be cheaper in the long run than just drinking. Alcohol is exorbitantly expensive here - and to save money, younger generations turn to chemicals to enhance their mood and of course drink less as a result.

The only positive about alcohol is that it can be monitored and regulated physically, whereas drugs can't.

I haven't looked to see whether alcohol revenue has continued to increase in Australia after Rudd introduced higher taxes on alcopops, wine etc. It did in the first year - but maybe it's stabilised since. A lot of people turned to straight spirits when the premixed drinks became too exensive.

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Re: Following the POMs on the Price of Alcohol

Post by Super Nova » Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:07 pm

Alcohol is just like any other drug. Too much of it is bad for you.

However the nanny state mentality is really starting to piss me off. I think it is up to each individual to control their own lives and their drug intake, legal or otherwise.

It would be cheaper for society as a whole to legalise everything, tax it at point of sales and this is the part the governments should play, dedicate the taxes to provide re-hab centres for the small minority that get hooked. It would take the gangs out of the chain, reduce crime and build a safer society.

If it get too high in price, Monk can restart his business because they will start to brew it themselves like they do to grow their own pot.

As to the other dangerous chemicals out there, it is all in response to the failed war on drugs. A war that will never be won.

I just pity the young who will struggle to afford to have a real drink due to the every increases in price for the low end drinks. They only want to get pissed. Most of us did it... most of us grew out of it.

We always use price to deter the acts of the minority.... this is just an excuss to increase taxes and revenue.
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Post by freediver » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:11 pm

I think alcohol is a fair bit cheaper in the UK than here in Australia. It is not a question of good or bad, but how much. Taxing alcohol is a good idea from an economic perspecitve because it has little impact on behaviour - therefor you do not move as far from a free market economy than if you taxed something else. You do not destroy the industry in the same way you would for other products.

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Re: Following the POMs on the Price of Alcohol

Post by IQS.RLOW » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:43 pm

Taxing alcohol is a good idea from an economic perspecitve because it has little impact on behaviour
Yet your advocacy and reasoning behind your love of the carbon tax says just the opposite
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Post by freediver » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:01 am

CO2 is not a drug. Alcohol is.

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Re: Following the POMs on the Price of Alcohol

Post by IQS.RLOW » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:02 am

People can live without alcohol

They can't live without electricity
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Post by freediver » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:06 am

Good thing we aren't trying to get rid of electricity then.

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Re: Following the POMs on the Price of Alcohol

Post by IQS.RLOW » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:10 am

No, you are just wanting to tax it because according to you taxing alcohol has little impact on behavior but taxing carbon will make everyone change their habits
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Re: Following the POMs on the Price of Alcohol

Post by Neferti » Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:46 pm

:shock:

Don't they (the Brits) also have a Coalition with the GREENS in the UK?

I see that Bob Brown is trying to communicate with the Little Green Men on Mars ??? :yahoo

What a dickhead ...........

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