Why the NBN satelites are needed

[Jovial Monk]

What nonsense Mantra. The sheep and cattle stations are still there.

To SN: Do you want to go back to dialup speeds? I mean, you could use the net with dialup and about 9% of internet users still are on dialup—too far away from the exchnange for ADSL and maybe in terrain too hilly for wireless. No, you wouldn’t want to go back to dialup—websites are richer in content, more images, video, audio etc.

The video is now getting ever higher definition which means much more data.

Game playing over the net similarly requires ever more bandwidth. A household may have more than one device connected to the net etc etc. Bandwidth needs will only grow. Business likewise, government incl schools, hospitals. Business being done on line more and more.

Then the internet of things becoming established needs bandwidth.

In ten years time ADSL speed will be like dialup. The copper CAN is reaching the end of its life and so it is being replaced and replaced by optical fibre.

Wireless suffers from contention, it will never be the main network medium, just a supplementary one.

[Super Nova]

Monk,

With compression technology you still don't need 12mbps. Now or in the near future.

Alll I'm saying is all this cost is been spent to give 3% access beyond what is the minimum needed to fullfuil a government policy. That is a waste of money as technology will find a cheaper solution.

[Bart]

The NBN is a complete waste of money, but that's Labor for you.

[mantra]

What nonsense Mantra. The sheep and cattle stations are still there.

There aren't too many sheep and cattle stations left belonging to Australians. Most of them have been bought out by foreign mining companies and are quickly being turned into coal and gas mines.

The state and federal governments support these multinationals - why I don't know. We only get a pittance in royalties and leases - the rest goes overseas. Let them pay for their own satellites.

[Jovial Monk]

No, very few of the real remote cattle stations have CSG wells on them, there will never be CSG on the bulk of NT-SA-WA as those rocks are way too old to have hydrocarbons in them. (Maybe strips along the coast but not the bulk of NT-SA-WA, 2/3 of the landmass of Australia.

[mantra]

No, very few of the real remote cattle stations have CSG wells on them, there will never be CSG on the bulk of NT-SA-WA as those rocks are way too old to have hydrocarbons in them. (Maybe strips along the coast but not the bulk of NT-SA-WA, 2/3 of the landmass of Australia.

Outback Queensland isn't the coast. It's going on inland in all the states.

THE booming mining industry could mean foreign workers will be flown directly by jumbo jet into outback Queensland as the state scrambles to fill massive job shortages.

Several mining houses are in advanced negotiations with the Federal Government to replace the individual 457 visas with bulk temporary migration agreements to bring overseas labour into outback mines.

The proposed Enterprise Migration Agreements would establish a special type of labour agreement to address skill vacancies in major resource projects with capital expenditure greater than $2 billion and a peak workforce of 1500.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/ ... 6270204866

[Super Nova]

No, very few of the real remote cattle stations have CSG wells on them, there will never be CSG on the bulk of NT-SA-WA as those rocks are way too old to have hydrocarbons in them. (Maybe strips along the coast but not the bulk of NT-SA-WA, 2/3 of the landmass of Australia.

"too old to have hydrocarbons"

I don't understand your point. Hydrocarbons, do you mean coal and oil. They are mining our natural materials like Iron Oxide and the rest.

We don't need to spend so much money on this 3% and have the real cost subsidised by the rest of the australian consumers of NBN. Bloody disgrace.

[Neferti]

No, very few of the real remote cattle stations have CSG wells on them, there will never be CSG on the bulk of NT-SA-WA as those rocks are way too old to have hydrocarbons in them. (Maybe strips along the coast but not the bulk of NT-SA-WA, 2/3 of the landmass of Australia.

Monk reads Crikey ........

Nobody else does.

[Jovial Monk]

I am a qualified geologist. SN, look up cratons or cratonised rock and you will see what I mean, OK? That rock I am talking about is at least one billion years old and has undergone more than one cycle of orogeny (mountain building) and has been folded, faulted, heated and whatever other tectonic events can happen. Not that much life in the Precambrian to leave any hydrocarbons—organic remains containing carbon or carbon molecules that contain hydrogen.

No oil, no gas, no coal.

The people working there are entitled to have broadband like city people do. To end the digital divide, to allow graziers etc make better informed business decisions, to end the dreadful isolation of the bush. Why can’t you work this out for yourself?

As to stupid wireless broadband, pretty much every country is rolling out fibre to the home because it is the right solution.

[Jovial Monk]

Fibre rollout accelerated, ripper!

NBN Co has added an additional 191,000 premises to the 2012 National Broadband Network (NBN) fibre roll-out, adding eight new fibre-serving areas to its 12-month roll-out plan.

The new update, announced by NBN Co CEO Mike Quigley in Senate Estimates last night, and published on NBN Co's website this morning, brings the total number of premises expected to be passed in the next 12 months to 758,100. Homes that are already connected number about 18,200, with around 5500 customers using the NBN, while construction is already underway for 121,500 premises.

http://www.zdnet.com.au/191k-premises-a ... 331736.htm

5500 using out of 18K connected—failure! Nah, in some areas (like Willunga) only a very few volunteers have been connected to test the netword installation. These days too a lot of people are signed up to 2 year contracts and so can’t switch straightaway, all that will pass as the network gets rolled out and rolled out.