Urination at War

[Outlaw Yogi]

And it never would have happened, if America hadn't been "pissed on" from a great height on 9/11.

Considering the Ruskis warned the yanks well in advance of Jihadi intentions to crash jet liners into U$ symbols of power and was published on the front page of the Times of India a month prior to the event, it's blatantly obvious the U$ admin allowed it to happen so they could play indignant victim. Which explains why there was no security on that particular day, and why Bin Laden family members were flown out of U$A back to Saudi Arabia during a nation wide ban on air travel.

The perpetrators were said to be Saudis and Yemenis, but neither Saudi Arabia nor Yemen were invaded. Afganistan was invaded on the pretext of the Taliban harboring Usama Bin Laden, but Usama Bin Laden was a CIA asset and the Taliban was financed from scratch with Unacol money funneled through Pakistani ISI by the CIA, so Unacol could run 3 oil and gas pipelines from the Caspian Sea to the Persian Gulf without going through Iran.

Currently the latest corporate money spinning projects in Afganistan are gold mines.
U$A asked to be pi$$ed on as an excuse to take resources.

Do shit to others, shit comes back, with interest usually.

Indeed, and half the world is queuing up for their turn to $#!+ on U$A.

[Bart]

So, it seems like a lot of you want war with no rules. Fair enough. Chemical weapons, rape, torture. Let's have it, a free for all.

Jackasses.

Yeah, and no shooting in the back, and no sneaking up on anyone to kill them, and no out-numbering the other side either.
And all shots can only be in the torso, so no limb shots and no head shots, we want to be able to have open-coffin funerals.

[freediver]

We know that Afghanistan has a US puppet government making a pretense at democracy so the gullible will continue to believe it is a moral war and all about us and them.

How do you know? Because the honest Taliban said so? Who is the guillible one?

[mantra]

We know that Afghanistan has a US puppet government making a pretense at democracy so the gullible will continue to believe it is a moral war and all about us and them.

How do you know? Because the honest Taliban said so? Who is the guillible one?

We've been through this a thousand times before. The Taliban were the only obstacle between the US oil conglomeration UNOCAL and their pipeline and although they had struck up an earlier deal prior to 9/11 with the Taliban - they reneged. Osama was the scapegoat held accountable for 9/11 and a good excuse to bomb Afghanistan to pieces to subdue the Taliban for "hiding" him. It's funny how it took a decade to find Osama - eventually in Pakistan where he was allegedly killed.

We have been taught over the past 2 decades - and particularly the last decade to hate Muslims with a vengeance, all because our government and media puppet masters have told us to. Years and years of negative advertising and propaganda has increased our aversion to anything Islam. So there's no problem urinating on dead soldiers - they're only Muslims anyway fighting to hold onto their country before it's completely destroyed.

The Iraq and Afghanistan wars stink of corruption and always have.

[Neferti]

Aside from everything else. I think that the US Government is using taxpayers funds on WARS that they create themselves. It keeps the USA's biggest employer in employment. The Military.

It also makes the USA look powerful. Who cares about the underdog?

I have said before and will say again that parents who stick their kids into the Military and expect them to just "earn a crust" and not be sent off somewhere to be killed are the typical Trailer Trash lot, of which American has more of than Australia has genuine Citizens.

I agree with Mantra and did so way back about the "war" but that wasn't a reason to vote for Bob Brown. I voted Howard.

[freediver]

We know that Afghanistan has a US puppet government making a pretense at democracy so the gullible will continue to believe it is a moral war and all about us and them.

How do you know? Because the honest Taliban said so? Who is the guillible one?

We've been through this a thousand times before. The Taliban were the only obstacle between the US oil conglomeration UNOCAL and their pipeline and although they had struck up an earlier deal prior to 9/11 with the Taliban - they reneged. Osama was the scapegoat held accountable for 9/11 and a good excuse to bomb Afghanistan to pieces to subdue the Taliban for "hiding" him. It's funny how it took a decade to find Osama - eventually in Pakistan where he was allegedly killed.

We have been taught over the past 2 decades - and particularly the last decade to hate Muslims with a vengeance, all because our government and media puppet masters have told us to. Years and years of negative advertising and propaganda has increased our aversion to anything Islam. So there's no problem urinating on dead soldiers - they're only Muslims anyway fighting to hold onto their country before it's completely destroyed.

The Iraq and Afghanistan wars stink of corruption and always have.

I mean how do you know it is a puppet government and just a pretense at democracy? Are you arguing that it fits in with your world view, therfor it is true? Nothing you have said here is mutually exclusive with a genuine democracy.

[AiA in Atlanta]

Aside from everything else. I think that the US Government is using taxpayers funds on WARS that they create themselves. It keeps the USA's biggest employer in employment. The Military.

True. The American military is a huge jobs program but the conservatives won't admit to that.


Wasn't it Ron Paul that said that American politicians who vote to put soldiers in harm's way should be required to have a son or daughter in the military?

[boxy]

We've been through this a thousand times before. The Taliban were the only obstacle between the US oil conglomeration UNOCAL and their pipeline and although they had struck up an earlier deal prior to 9/11 with the Taliban - they reneged. Osama was the scapegoat held accountable for 9/11 and a good excuse to bomb Afghanistan to pieces to subdue the Taliban for "hiding" him. It's funny how it took a decade to find Osama - eventually in Pakistan where he was allegedly killed.

So, let me get this right?

The evil capitalist had an agreement with the Taliban before 9/11... but they decided that instead of honouring that agreement, they would instead allow thousands of their own citizens to be killed in the twin towers incident, and then renege on the oil/gas deal, and instead, spend billions of dollars invading a country that had, only decades before, managed to stymie the communist war machine at the height of it's power?

I think you don't understand capitalists. It is much cheaper to bribe, than it is to fund a war, when all you are talking about is profit.

[boxy]

For troops without innate sociopathic traits to be effective, you need to dehumanise the enemy, or they get guilt trips and go mad. This is why crims make the best soldiers, because they are willing to breach social conditioning. Most individuals need to be brainwashed into believing the opponents are sub human. To me, urinating on the corpse of a mortal opponent is not offensive, but urinating on a captured enemy would be. Provided I don't hate them.

My experience of having opponents trying to kill me, and in turn I intending to kill them, alters my state of mind. Social norms mean nothing other than a facade that I must pretend to adhere to, in order to succeed, which means concealing the hate. Once I've spent a prolonged period where priorities are based on instink, trying to conform with moralistic society makes me cranky and burns me out.

If these guys who urinated on those they were conditioned to regard as scum and risk their own lives to counter are penalised for their actions, they will become contemptuous of their own people.

I don't see it as "dehumanising", but rather, not being part of their "tribe", that counts. People are bound to treat their tribemates as family, but if under threat, attack outsiders. It's why "outsiders", even if members of society, are at risk.

[Super Nova]

I don't see it as "dehumanising", but rather, not being part of their "tribe", that counts. People are bound to treat their tribemates as family, but if under threat, attack outsiders. It's why "outsiders", even if members of society, are at risk.

That's why it is very difficult for them to be one country under one rule.

Too many factions.

Something major has to change in their society for this to improve over time. Maybe we should just leave them to it. The problem with that is the wrong people get control, access to weapons and the means to deliver them to disrupt the west or rest of the world.

If they could be contained we would have left them to it.

The fact they could not be contained and their venom spilled out into the wider world, action needed to be taken.