Gillbama cold war mentality offends China

[mellie]

China top military paper warns U.S. aims to contain rise

Published on January, 10 2012 - by Reuters


BEIJING (Reuters) - The United States' new defense strategy focused on the Asia-Pacific region is directed at containing China's rise, the People's Liberation Army's newspaper said on Tuesday in Beijing's strongest warning yet against the new Pentagon stance. The commentary in the Liberation Army Daily, however, also said China's sensible response to the U.S. military re-focus on Asia should be "vigilance" and smart diplomacy, not panic. The United States is "laying out forces across the Asia-Pacific region in advance to contain the rise of China," said the commentary in the paper by Major General Luo Yuan. Washington's assertions that the military re-focus announced last week is not directed at China are "simply making their real intent all the more obvious." "Casting our eyes around we can see that the United States has been bolstering its five major military alliances in the Asia-Pacific region, and is adjusting the positioning of its five major military base clusters, while also seeking more entry rights for military bases around China," wrote Luo. "Who can believe that you are not directing this at China? Isn't this the return of a Cold War mentality?" Luo is well-known for his hawkish views, often published in popular Chinese newspapers and online. But the appearance of his commentary in the Liberation Army Daily, which is heavily vetted as the chief paper of the military, suggests that his latest comments enjoy some level of official endorsement. On Monday, China's Ministry of Defense warned the United States to be "careful in its words and actions" after last week announcing the defense rethink that stresses responding to China's rise by shoring up U.S. alliances and bases across Asia. The new U.S. strategy promises to boost strength in Asia in an attempt to counter China's growing ability to check U.S. power in the region, even as U.S. forces draw back elsewhere across the globe. Under the new strategy, the United States will maintain large bases in Japan and South Korea and deploy U.S. Marines, navy ships and aircraft to Australia's Northern Territory. The strategy also calls for countering potential attempts by China and Iran to block U.S. capabilities in areas like the South China Sea and the Strait of Hormuz. China has sought to balance voicing its wariness about the U.S. moves with its desire for steady relations with Washington, especially as both sides grapple with domestic politics this year, when President Barack Obama faces a re-election fight and China's ruling Communist Party undergoes a leadership handover. Luo warned against panic. Instead, Beijing must do a better job at courting friends in the region, charming countries away from the United States' orbit, he wrote. "In the face of this adjustment in the U.S. strategic focus, we must possess a sense of peril and maintain a high degree of vigilance, but there is no need to be alarmed about the expected," wrote Luo. "We must be adept at maneuvering and use smart diplomacy, and the more friends we can make the better," he wrote. "Some countries have been swindled by America, and now are walking alongside the United States out of their own interests, but in essence they don't fit together," said Luo. "They share the same bed but have different dreams." (Reporting by Chris Buckley; Editing by Sanjeev Miglani)


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As America lose it's grip on the global economy, it now sets about shoring allies, vexing regional partners (china, our new enemy) and severing relations by intentionally offending china, fearful Australia may side with China or decide to remain neutral leaving poor old warmongering America to take on the world alone.

Ask yourselves, what have our media said about this?

Not much, as America are hoping their sinister antagonism of China will result in Australia's relations with China being well and truly damaged before we the ignorant public can demand our government start conducting itself more respectfully.

The Chinese would be so offended by this, we said we were their regional partners, now Obamas threatening them with unnecessary and quite undiplomatically military reinforcements.

This Labor government has got to be stopped.

What do our peaceful greens have t say on this matter?

Or don't they know yet?










This is a Howard Government building positive relations with China...
http://www.foreignminister.gov.au/speec ... /eaau.html

[mellie]

China are calling the US trouble makers, and I am inclined to agree with them.

Piss off Obama, you Kentucky Kenyan.



http://www.newsorganizer.com/article/ch ... 0db74966f/


Gillard shafts us again, and just when we thought she was enjoying her summer holidays....here she is skirting war with Obama.

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Thanks guys, now articles within our Australian press are beginning to surface, and mysteriously within the last 12 or so minutes.

Better late than never I guess.

[boxy]

Meh. The US is no threat to China, if it's army stays within it's own, and it's allies, borders. It's the usual diplomatic propaganda trotted out by all sides.

[Super Nova]

China would probably retaliate ecconomically against Australia before taking on the US.

Australia has nothing to gain from this and everything to lose.

When will be stop being the 53 state of the union, behind Canada and the UK.

[Mattus]

China would probably retaliate ecconomically against Australia before taking on the US.

It may surprise you that Australia holds less debt than China. We're 14.2% of GDP, while China is 17.5% of GDP and a recipient of economic aid from Australia. The poor old USA owes 100% of its GDP. China is not in a position to retaliate against Australia economically. It's time we sacked up and realised that we have the bargaining power, and used it. They certainly could retaliate militarily, and this is perhaps a step toward preventing that.

When will be stop being the 53 state of the union, behind Canada and the UK.

Well that's a fair point. But perhaps this is leverage to exert independence in the region, rather than constantly cowering to the might chinese Yuan.

Bush never had the guts to stand up to China, despite his bluff and bluster. Do you remember the spy plane incident just before the world changed on 9-11? Below is George's lackey's letter of apology to China. What a pussy.

Dear Mr. Minister,
On behalf of the United States Government, I now outline steps to resolve this issue.
Both President Bush and Secretary of State Powell have expressed their sincere regret over your missing pilot and aircraft. Please convey to the Chinese people and to the family of the pilot Wang Wei that we are very sorry for their loss.
Although the full picture of what transpired is still unclear, according to our information, our severely crippled aircraft made an emergency landing after following international emergency procedures. We are very sorry the entering of China’s airspace and the landing did not have verbal clearance, but very pleased the crew landed safely. We appreciate China’s efforts to see to the well-being of our crew.
In view of the tragic incident and based on my discussions with your representative, we have agreed to the following actions:
Both sides agree to hold a meeting to discuss the incident. My government understands and expects that our aircrew will be permitted to depart China as soon as possible.
The meeting would start April 18, 2001.
The meeting agenda would include discussion of the cause of the incident, possible recommendations whereby such collisions could be avoided in the future, development of a plan for prompt return of the EP-3 aircraft, and other related issues. We acknowledge your government’s intention to raise U.S. reconnaissance missions near China in the meeting.
Sincerely,


Joseph W. Prueher

[Super Nova]

You're right. I thought China was effectively debt free.

They are out there buying the world at the moment. That's the real power they have. They are smart and are startin to learn how to really innovate. When they get it, they will give the US a run for their money.... pun intended.

Is their debt calacvulated by only how much they owe or is it a net position (debt-owed) They may have debt but how much are they owed.

[The Artist formerly known as Sappho]

It may surprise you that Australia holds less debt than China. We're 14.2% of GDP, while China is 17.5% of GDP and a recipient of economic aid from Australia. The poor old USA owes 100% of its GDP. China is not in a position to retaliate against Australia economically. It's time we sacked up and realised that we have the bargaining power, and used it. They certainly could retaliate militarily, and this is perhaps a step toward preventing that.

Rather irrelevant Mattus, given that you are talking about very small debt obligations for both nations.

China is in a position to retaliate economically and they are already... Australia's iron economy is dancing to China's tune... China are a buying powerhouse of agricultural land... and then there is the Yuan as you point out yourself.

China is already entailed to an economic war with America by the way... and the US know it well.

[mellie]

And just know, due to strained relations over this affair, China have already engaged in talks with Pakistan, who have assured them they will support them.

All these talks have been happening whilst we assumed government had gone on vacation.





I knew something was fishy, Gillard had stopped muckracking Abbott...was busy causing WWIII ...our search engines had stopped returning 'negative' news results , instead returning lollipops and sunshine.

So I did an 'alternative' news search and found it. It's all over Chinas papers, Americas press are trickling it in some war-lov'in red-neck states, and as for us, (piggy in the middle) we are the last to know, in fact, we were not supposed to find out at all it seems.

alt-web media, news and politics search aggregates are the instruments of choice these days, given our better known search engines have black holes programmed into them (google must make a fortune ) to redirect 'sensitive' content so individuals in a given country wont see the same results they might if they googled this story in China, or even Texas.

[Mattus]

Rather irrelevant Mattus, given that you are talking about very small debt obligations for both nations.

Not at all. It's important to address the common misunderstanding that we need to tread lightly around China because we are in massive debt to them, and that they can tank us by simply calling on their debt. It's just not true, and it was the basis on which SN made the comment I was responding to.

China is in a position to retaliate economically and they are already...

What exactly can or are the People's Republic of China do in retaliation from an economic standpoint. You yourself point out that they are wholly reliant on our resources in order to complete the many construction projects they have put themselves into debt to commence. If they don't complete them, (and many projects are starting to appear too big to complete) there can be no return on the investment and the Chinese banking industry would collapse following massive default. So it wouldn't be in their interest to tariff or even boycott Australian imports in an attempt to harm our export industry.

On the other hand, even a modest decrease in our production and export, especially of iron, would result in skyrocketting global prices and those construction projects in China would default.

Australia's iron economy is dancing to China's tune...

Australia's economy is profiting wildly off the massive debt that China is accumulating, at a fantastic and clearly unsustainable pace. That's not the same as dancing to their tune. It's certainly in our interest for them to keep spending beyond their means. Perhaps an arms race with the USA would help that?

China are a buying powerhouse of agricultural land...

Chinese capital is investing in Australian resources, absolutely. I'm not sure how this could be construed as evidence of our dependence on the continuing goodwill of PRC for economic viability. After all we're an S&P AAA country. We're as solid as it gets. What's China's S&P ranking again?

[boxy]

China would probably retaliate ecconomically against Australia before taking on the US.

Australia has nothing to gain from this and everything to lose.

When will be stop being the 53 state of the union, behind Canada and the UK.

Australia, and the region, has everything to gain from this, and nothing to lose. China, could walk over most of the region, if it wasn't for the knowledge that it would bring bigger players into it.

Not saying that they are likely to at this stage, but the more powerful they become, economically, the more powerful they have the potential of becoming, militarily. The smaller countries of the Asia Pacific region need to rely on alliances, none of them will be a match individually.

America is one of the best, most powerful, allies we could ever hope for.