Sci - Goldilocks planet is no fairytale

[boxy]

“Each being in the universe yearns for the free energy necessary for survival and development. Each existence resists extinction. The consequent history of violence in the universe is as inevitable as the gravitational pull between the Earth and the Sun.”

So, you think that an intelligent creator would make a universe, where self aware being get ahead by fighting for free energy, leading to the violent natures of all higher beings?

[AiA in Atlanta]

“Each being in the universe yearns for the free energy necessary for survival and development. Each existence resists extinction. The consequent history of violence in the universe is as inevitable as the gravitational pull between the Earth and the Sun.”

So, you think that an intelligent creator would make a universe, where self aware being get ahead by fighting for free energy, leading to the violent natures of all higher beings?

Planets collide.

You seem to be referring to an anthropomorphic desert god "out there" which is not what this passage refers to at all.

[Super Nova]

Aia,

Are you trying to say thateach life form is compete to resources (the free energy) and therefore conflict over these resources is natural leading to a violent universe for lifefiorm, consistent with what happens else where where violent events occur (like planets coliding).

Natural selection is based on this premise btw.

Nothing to do with a god, even an angry destructive one, it is just how the equations are played out.

[AiA in Atlanta]

Have found the problem with this type of discussion is that few are really able to let go of their childish notions of God and consider something more sophisticated.

[AiA in Atlanta]

What I mean is that there are other, higher, nontraditional ways of looking at god.

[Aussie]

What I mean is that there are other, higher, nontraditional ways of looking at god.

Tell us about them....and when you do so, explain why anyone with half a brain gets up you about them.

[AiA in Atlanta]

What I mean is that there are other, higher, nontraditional ways of looking at god.

Tell us about them....and when you do so, explain why anyone with half a brain gets up you about them.

Where shall I begin? Well, there is the ethnocentric, tribal god. The ancient Hebrew god is a good example of that ...

[IQS.RLOW]

Aussie and faith are as far removed as Aussie and reality

[boxy]

“Each being in the universe yearns for the free energy necessary for survival and development. Each existence resists extinction. The consequent history of violence in the universe is as inevitable as the gravitational pull between the Earth and the Sun.”

So, you think that an intelligent creator would make a universe, where self aware being get ahead by fighting for free energy, leading to the violent natures of all higher beings?

Planets collide.

You seem to be referring to an anthropomorphic desert god "out there" which is not what this passage refers to at all.

Have found the problem with this type of discussion is that few are really able to let go of their childish notions of God and consider something more sophisticated.

Well, are you talking about an intelligent creator being, or not?

Is it just some universal "gaia" character... instead, where the universe is seen as intelligent itself?

Fact is, all of these possibilities are no more improbable than the BB simply being a random event... but science doesn't care whether it's current "best guess" (and that's all it is, when it gets to talk of things before the BB) turns out to be wrong. Science will be investigating that for the rest of humanities time in the universe, and if you want my opinion, they'll never come to an absolute answer.

[Super Nova]

Science will be investigating that for the rest of humanities time in the universe, and if you want my opinion, they'll never come to an absolute answer.

I nearly agree with this. If we don't become extinct or we evolve/create a form a life (not as we know it) that continues the quest we may find out. I do think it is highly improbable to really know because it is difficult to see what is behind, below ot outside the universe when you are a part of it.

We will continue to have better theories that represent what we observe but may never know the truth.