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Bart
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Greens Central Command

Post by Bart » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:04 pm

The Greens want to play "I Spy".
Except that this is NOT a fun game. Not fun at all.
Instead Yes they want to invade every home and spy on the use of household appliances. :WTF

The Greens want a central command station where they can spy, control and limit the use of air conditioners & central heating to start with. Who knows what else will follow.
Perhaps the number of times you shower or use the toilet!
The Greens also want more expensive hot water systems installed on new homes. And for existing homes to make it mandatory that when your hot water system breaks down and needs replacing then you have to replace it with a much more expensive system.
Would pay to watch who the Greens advocate as to whom would be the preffered supplier of hot water systems. it won't surprise anyone if the Directors or shareholders are in fact Green ministers.
Very similar to when Chief Climate Commissioner Tim Flannery advocated hot rocks as an alternative energy source to then PM Rudd.
Rudd again wastefully handed out $90m to another ALP white elephant.

Communism is coming to Australia in the form of a watermelon!

Now remind me, what fkwits voted for these lunatic Greens! :evil: :evil:
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Re: Greens Central Command

Post by mantra » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:12 pm

Don't trash the Greens so harshly Bart. I voted for the Greens and will continue to do so. As far as it being the Greens who want these smart meters - that isn't so. The Greens have been quoted out of context.

The smart meters are all Gillard's idea sold to her by Al Gore who is a major shareholder of the manufacturer who makes them and he is spruiking them to the world.

No-one wants them. Victoria is in a huge mess with them at the moment and electricity prices have jumped alarmingly.

Do you want to change the title to Smart Meters Bart? The meters are a more serious issue than the Greens being misquoted.

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Re: Greens Central Command

Post by Bart » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:20 pm

No, as the Greens want to control air conditioners.
The Greens want to be able to have control, invade people's homes via a central command station so to be able to turn them off!

The smart meters is another issue.

And yes the Greens advocated for those stupid meters too.


Another lunatic policy!
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Re: Greens Central Command

Post by Bart » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:28 pm

"A PATTERN is beginning to emerge. Just over one year since the federal Greens entered into a power-sharing arrangement with Labor, and a few months since the Greens assumed the balance of power in the Senate, we can see a certain theme.

Almost every proposal put forward or championed by the Greens either is or would be seriously damaging to the bank balances of middle Australia.

The Greens largely drove the carbon tax, forcing Prime Minister Julia Gillard to embarrassingly reverse her pre-2010 election promise to not introduce such a tax.

The cost of this new tax to businesses and consumers will be hugely significant, and may yet cost Labor its hold on national government.

During the past week, Greens have put forward proposals for a massively expanded refugee program that would take billions to fund and administer. Again, when it comes to the Greens, Australians would pay and pay and pay. And pay again.

Now the Greens support so-called smart meters for NSW homes that in trials interstate have resulted in expensive debacles. Experts warn that the costs of smart meters in NSW would mostly be worn by pensioners and students.

It's another cash-draining proposal from a party that can't find a solution to anything without a massive financial penalty being involved. This isn't smart. Throwing money at a problem is the first tactic of any government.

The smart thing to do is to solve problems without sending the state further into an economic hole. Any chance of that, intelligent Greens?"

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/o ... 6227924919
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Re: Greens Central Command

Post by mantra » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:28 pm

The Greens didn't advocate for the smart meters. That's a US initiative.

The Greens would prefer that we didn't use airconditioners to the extent we do. What's wrong with that? Every hot Summer's day we have a power outage thanks to all the households using their airconditioners full blast. A few decades ago no-one apart from the workplace used them.

We can live without a/c's although the sick and the elderly should have access to them.

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Re: Greens Central Command

Post by Bart » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:31 pm

Yes the good ole Greens are really showing their red cheeks aren't they!

"THE cost of cooling your home and cooking dinner could double under a new Gillard government power proposal.

Charging consumers more for electricity during the evening peak, and less at other times, is among a raft of "policy options" contained in a discussion paper made public yesterday.

The plan would involve a statewide rollout of so-called "smart meters", which have caused anger among some consumers whose bills have risen sharply. Other proposals put forward in the paper include minimum energy standards for appliances, rebates and green building regulations.

There is also a bizarre plan allowing energy companies to remotely control home airconditioners in high-demand periods in return for a discount at other times - a move experts say would hit western Sydney hard.

After the Department of Climate Change and Energy Efficiency released the consultation paper for a proposed national energy savings initiative, acting Greens leader Christine Milne claimed it was "another great Greens idea coming to fruition".

The push for a new green scheme would, according to the paper, "complement" the carbon tax, which will add $171 to power bills and would come on top of the existing renewable energy target scheme which added $100 to power bills this year. Smart meters monitor electricity usage in 30-minute intervals and feed information back to the energy company.

Determinants of demand - power consumption comparator

Some families in new homes with so-called smart meters are already on time-of-use tariffs where, between 2pm and 8pm, they pay 44c a kilowatt hour - twice the flat rate.

Energy Australia was forced to allow 200,000 households in NSW to revert to a flat rate if they wanted to after time-of-use charging hurt those who were at home during the peak period - new parents, pensioners and the disabled.

Energy Australia claimed 70 per cent of households were better off with smart meters.

But research by St Vincent De Paul has shown time-of-use charging imposes double-digit increases on young families and the welfare-dependent.

Businesses who fail to meet targets could be hit with penalties and the paper conceded "obligated parties will pass through to their consumers some or all of the costs of meeting the obligation".

Senator Milne said: "For too long, governments, businesses and householders haven't tackled our hugely wasteful use of energy because there has been no clear and urgent driver to do so." She said a target for energy use reduction should be set at 3 per cent a year.

Energy Users Association executive director Roman Domanski said similar schemes in Australia and overseas had produced limited benefits. He said time-of-use pricing would be more pronounced in hotter areas of Sydney - the west.

"If the government introduces a scheme like that, it is going to increase bills," he said.

"We're now going to have a carbon price that is going to encourage people, supposedly, to lower emissions and also reduce the amount of energy people use so we wonder why you need one of these sorts of schemes to push electricity prices up even more."

A spokeswoman for parliamentary secretary for climate change Mark Dreyfus said a national energy savings initiative was aimed at "helping households and business save money on energy costs"."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/s ... 6227988163
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Re: Greens Central Command

Post by mantra » Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:37 pm

Don't believe every bit of propaganda you read!

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Re: Greens Central Command

Post by Neferti » Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:31 pm

mantra wrote:Don't believe every bit of propaganda you read!
We don't. :tease

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Re: Greens Central Command

Post by mellie » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:35 pm

Bart, not all Greens are reds, just think, had Malcolm Turnbull remained leader of the Libs, (he's another red-coat) would you have still voted for Libs then?

Theres no way I would have with him marching the Libs the hell for his own conceited opportunistic agenda, liberal voter or not. Turnbull is not a true Liberal.

:roll:

The overall direction of the Greens party has changed, (Bob Brown has demonstrated his megalomanical red tendencies) I doubt Mantra nor others thought possible, though the only way for this to be corrected is for it's grass-roots supporters to remain true to their party's grass-roots members .

Sarah Hansen young is another red, being cultivated by the global Green-red camp.

They need to expose their flawed colleagues and reassure the Australian public there are still some grass-roots members left worth voting for.

But the more the genuine greens stay quiet about their colleagues, the less likely the public are going to want to trust them next time round.

Bob Brown had all intentions of destroying the Australian greens before he left... now he's focused more on the "Global Greens Inc" and has become quite the globalist.

He tasted power, and liked it, now he's in a frenzy.

It's up to his own to stop him destroying what's left of their Greens party.

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Re: Greens Central Command

Post by mellie » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:46 pm

Wouldn't it be interesting if we formed a new party, comprising the truly grass-roots members of all leading parties?

With the addition of some new blood spanning across a number of professions.

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