Gay marriage conscience vote

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Re: Gay marriage conscience vote

Post by mellie » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:56 pm

Rudds big sister resigns from Labor on principle----
A sense of why Labor came out of its annual conference last week with an immediate and sharp decrease in support in the polls was provided by Loree Rudd, the elder sister of Labor's former and discarded saviour, Kevin Rudd, after she resigned from the Labor Party on principle.
''Any government honest with its people would take this matter to a referendum after a couple of years of open debate,'' she told her local newspaper in Queensland, the Sunshine Coast Daily.
She was referring to gay marriage. ''It is not an easy issue and shouldn't be swept through in a night sitting. It shouldn't be swept through at a Labor conference when the party has committed to the electorate it will support marriage as it is.''
This is the issue that dominated the ALP national conference. It generates passionate support within sections of the party and the electorate. It is a defining issue for the Greens. It is a debate where personal denigration is routine - ''bigot'' is a default term for many - by people claiming to espouse the cause of tolerance.
All this has created a false sense of urgency, as this week's Herald/Nielsen poll indicated.
An overwhelming majority of Australians oppose discrimination against homosexuals and support giving parliamentarians the freedom of a conscience vote on gay marriage. This consensus is not, however, the same as support for gay marriage.

http://m.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/ga ... 1ouqq.html

So again Skip, I'm not alone with my heartfelt belief gay-marriage (the legislation there of) should be offered as a referendum question to the public.

Gillard has shafted her own in order to get this thing passed quickly, has gone so far as to replace those who oppose it within her own cabinet just short of a vote of conscience and pay rise.

Staff are resigning all over the place, perhaps it's time we asked why this government is so dysfunctional and fractured.

How far will this government go to race contentious and unpopular policy though the back-door without adequate public consult and or even debate?

Not unlike the carbon-tax they shafted us with also.

We the voting public may only decide when enough is enough...sadly, we may have to wait a couple of years or so for this opportunity to breeze past us again next federal election.

Our Governor General Quenton Bryce wants her son-in-law Bill Shorten to take the ALP leadership, so we cant anticipate our GG will put a stop to this government any-time soon.. when it's clear, the ethical implications of a GG maintaining her position in office, with her son as the rising star of the Labor party are obvious to all who see this illegitimate and 'fixed' minority government for what it is.

Corrupt!

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Re: Gay marriage conscience vote

Post by Bart » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:59 pm

mellie wrote:Nerf, it comes down to the public being denied the right to vote on contentious issues, be it gay marriage or carbon-tax.. this government clearly lacks the desire to consult the public on many issues it seems.

Like you say, where will they draw the line?

They wont!



They did have their 2020 summit where they invited & told :oops consulted ALP & Greens members what they wanted and that was meant to represent all of Australia :rofl :rofl :rofl

Oh oh and then Gillard was going to redo that with another bunch of GALP members after the Aug10 election wasn't she, but then her minders told her that no one believed the Rudd fiasco of the 2020 summit so Gillard then dumped that. :thumb
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Re: Gay marriage conscience vote

Post by AiA in Atlanta » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:13 am

To resist gay marriage in 2012 in Australia is as futile as resisting the abolition of slavery in Georgia in 1850. Times are a-changin. Something's blown' in the wind.

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Re: Gay marriage conscience vote

Post by mantra » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:06 am

It's funny to think that just 30 years ago in Australia homosexuality was illegal and yet now the same sex can marry each other. What will it be like in another 30 years? Will we look back and wonder how our society became so gender indistinguishable. Boys are becoming more feminine and and girls more masculine. We see girls exhibiting road rage in greater numbers than boys, getting into as many brawls and being more foul in their language.

In another 60 years they'll be displaying straight people in medical books as examples of genders that used to exist at the end of the 20th century.

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Re: Gay marriage conscience vote

Post by AiA in Atlanta » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:15 am

procreation is a biological imperative. have no fears about straights disappearing. it may become as it was in the classical world where there was no modern distinction between gay and straight sex but there were rules even then.

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Re: Gay marriage conscience vote

Post by mellie » Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:49 am

AiA in Atlanta wrote:To resist gay marriage in 2012 in Australia is as futile as resisting the abolition of slavery in Georgia in 1850. Times are a-changin. Something's blown' in the wind.

I beg to differ, this and think the public will catch-on and realise they are being shafted yet again.

Lol, gay marriage is only being carried out in 10 nations around the world...Big Whoop!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_m ... _the_world


Take a look at what countries ....

the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Canada, South Africa, Norway, Sweden, Portugal, Iceland, and Argentina.

Some other nations ie 'Israel' recognise same-sex married couples who wed in other countries..and a few states in America recognise and wed same-sex couples, however these couples aren't recognised in all states of America.

Tasmania are trying to do this now, want to 'legally' recognise same-sex couples in TAS who were married abroad.


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The only sure way to determine whether or not we as a society are up for this is to take it to a referendum.

Sarah Hansen-Young plans on taking over the greens leadership, so wants this bill passed to attach to her resume...because she is nosing for gay cred.

The trouble is, the Greens have lost turf, went from 14 to 11 over night after they started ramming this down our throats.

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Re: Gay marriage conscience vote

Post by boxy » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:11 pm

AiA in Atlanta wrote:To resist gay marriage in 2012 in Australia is as futile as resisting the abolition of slavery in Georgia in 1850. Times are a-changin. Something's blown' in the wind.
You would have a point, except that there is a viable alternative, that should suit both parties, civil unions. As long as it does the same thing, in all legal areas, it's not discrimination one little bit.

Being gay is not the same as being straight. If you are gay, you are different to heterosexuals. Get over it.

It's like someone in a wheelchair demanding to have the definition of walking changed so that they can describe how they move about with the same term as everyone else.



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edit: inserted a "not" in there...
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Re: Gay marriage conscience vote

Post by Bart » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:58 pm

boxy wrote:
AiA in Atlanta wrote:To resist gay marriage in 2012 in Australia is as futile as resisting the abolition of slavery in Georgia in 1850. Times are a-changin. Something's blown' in the wind.
You would have a point, except that there is a viable alternative, that should suit both parties, civil unions. As long as it does the same thing, in all legal areas, it's discrimination one little bit.

Being gay is not the same as being straight. If you are gay, you are different to heterosexuals. Get over it.

It's like someone in a wheelchair demanding to have the definition of walking changed so that they can describe how they move about with the same term as everyone else.



They see me rollin', they be hatin'


Spot on :thumb
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Re: Gay marriage conscience vote

Post by AiA in Atlanta » Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:50 am

boxy wrote:
AiA in Atlanta wrote:To resist gay marriage in 2012 in Australia is as futile as resisting the abolition of slavery in Georgia in 1850. Times are a-changin. Something's blown' in the wind.
You would have a point, except that there is a viable alternative, that should suit both parties, civil unions. As long as it does the same thing, in all legal areas, it's not discrimination one little bit.

Being gay is not the same as being straight. If you are gay, you are different to heterosexuals. Get over it.

It's like someone in a wheelchair demanding to have the definition of walking changed so that they can describe how they move about with the same term as everyone else.



They see me rollin', they be hatin'





edit: inserted a "not" in there...
Civil unions don't suit all gays ... and I am not sure why ...

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Re: Gay marriage conscience vote

Post by Super Nova » Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:05 am

Let the gay's marry.

Don't let them bring up children.

Marry to allow their pertnership to be recognised under law. It is their right to stick it where they want.

They don't have thr right to deny a child the chance for a normal mother and father upbringing.
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