The Qantas Strike

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The Qantas Strike

Post by mantra » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:36 am

This has now become reminiscent of the Waterfront Dispute. Alan Joyce - Qantas CEO, has now locked out all union members and shut down the airline. The economic ramifications will be huge. The unions argue that unless workers' demands are met, they will strike indefinitely and Qantas argues that to be competitive they need to source more staff from overseas and that goes against a 1992 convention which prohibits unlimited job outsourcing.

The Shareholders have overwhelmingly voted in favour of giving Joyce the authority to shut Qantas down - yet thousands of people are now stranded and unable to meet their commitments.

Joyce wants the PM to intercede, which Gillard is refusing to do. How can the government intervene when they are supported by the unions, but if Qantas management gets their way - we can say goodbye to thousands of Australian jobs.

You have to agree with the unions quest to keep Australian jobs safe, but on the other hand if a company can't afford to meet the union pay demands - their members won't have a job.
There is no end in sight to the Qantas industrial dispute that has crippled Australia's aviation industry and left thousands of passengers stranded.

An emergency Fair Work Australia hearing into the Qantas dispute, convened in Melbourne, went until 1.30am AEDT today before adjourning until 2pm today, when union representatives will question Qantas executives about the timing of yesterday's mass grounding.

Mr Strambi, group executive of airline operations, told the hearing that demands by engineers for Australian servicing of Airbus A380 aircraft were not economical.

Mr Strambi said Qantas's competitors "have access to cheaper labour" and that a lack of flexibility in servicing would limit "the ability of the business to adapt to new technology".

He told the Fair Work hearing that recent industrial action had cost Qantas about $68 million and pushed customers to competing airlines.

"We're seeing a really big impact in our forward bookings," he said. "It makes sense. If passengers can't be sure... They're less likely to book with us."

Mr Strambi put forward an internal risk assessment report as evidence, which outlined possible consequences and benefits of a staff lockout. He also described pilots as a group of people who like control and said a grounding and lockout would take power and control away from the pilots' union.

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Re: The Qantas Strike

Post by mellie » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:12 am

Now is Gillards moment to shine, by testing Labors Fair Work Australia Logo, oh, I mean Legislation.


Or did I have it right the first time?

More tokenism coming from camp Gillard?

Perhaps theres a valid reason for why Gillard wont/cant intervene...perhaps like her off-shore Malaysian processing deal, this too was deemed illegal?

WorkChoices legislation was superseded by the Fair Work Act 2009 on 1 July 2009 which, whilst seen as an improvement for workers, has attracted criticism from industry experts, the Australian Greens Party and organized labor, especially the Victorian Branch of the Electrical Trades Union. In May 2009 the findings of a secret report on the new legislation, commissioned by the executive of the Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU), were revealed. The report found that "the act does not bring our laws into compliance with ILO standards".Geoff Borenstein, an in-house solicitor of the ETU stated that the Fair Work legislation breaches ILO conventions regarding the right to strike, industrial action generally and restrictions on the content of industrial instruments (awards, collective agreements &c). Professor Ron McCallum of the University of Sydney asserts that the new legislation will "probably" be deemed a breach of international law by the International Labour Organization, particularly in regards to ILO Conventions 87 and 98.
-Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_labour_movement


Oh so I see, Labors "International" new look is preventing it from having a say in their own country.

Like Gillard said, "There will be no carbon-tax under a government she lead".

Clearly this isn't leadership, so she's told the truth.

Should we now begin lobbying the ILO?

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Re: The Qantas Strike

Post by mellie » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:52 am

So we have gone from Work Choices, to NO Choices at all, as per International Labor Organisation (ILO) International Law convention...particularly in regards to ILO Conventions 87 and 98.
http://www.ilo.org/ilolex/english/convdisp1.htm <-----(take a look at ILO conventions 87 and 98 here)
Secret documents, breeches in law, you sure Gillard was an industrial union lawyer, or was destroying whats left of our national airline the overall objective here?.."Rudd brought in Fair Work Australia, not me." -Gillard

"Dont blame me Australia." - Juliar KillRudd.

C87---"Freedom of Association and Protection of the Right to Organise Convention, 1948"

C98--"Right to Organise and Collective Bargaining Convention, 1949."

Tony Abbott was right on the mark.

http://www.tonyabbottexposed.com/2010/0 ... /#Republic

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Re: The Qantas Strike

Post by mellie » Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:09 am

Well, this is rather awkward....

Qantas move strands 17 leaders in Perth
October 30, 2011 - 1:27AM

The Qantas grounding left 17 world leaders scrambling to find other ways home from the CHOGM summit in Perth.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard was forced to personally inform leaders during the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting of the shock news Qantas had grounded all its planes because of an industrial dispute.

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-new ... 1mpxi.html
The Labor government will be severely embarrassed by these drastic steps in the midst of a gathering of world leaders. Qantas now runs the risk of turning many in cabinet against it, even those who may have been ambivalent about the merits of both sides. And, it is vital for Qantas to have the government on side.

In the pilots' strike in 1989, which was a long time brewing, some contingency plans were able to be made by the government, such as calling in the RAAF and allowing international airlines to carry traffic domestically.

This time, Qantas has given no advance warning.

The government will now force a resolution. Australia depends on aviation like almost no other country. While Virgin Australia, Jetstar and Tiger Airways can fill some of the gap, the grounding of the Flying Kangaroo will bring many businesses to a grinding halt.

But even with a resolution, it will leave a toxic legacy within Qantas as it embarks on its most aggressive push into Asia, where it wants to set up subsidiary airlines employing workers on lower pay rates and conditions than their Australian counterparts.

Joyce and the Qantas board have embarked on high-risk poker.

http://m.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/fl ... 1mpol.html

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Re: The Qantas Strike

Post by mellie » Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:25 am

QANTAS GROUNDED



8.11am: Qantas last updated its advice to customers at 11.20pm last night. The full statement is here, a few highlights below:

--If your flight number falls within the range QF1400-2699 you are travelling with QantasLink and your flight is not affected by the grounding so you should travel to the airport as normal.
--Qantas codeshares with a number of airlines, these carriers are continuing their operations as scheduled. These flights have both Qantas and alternative carrier flight numbers eg. QF319 and BA16.
#Domestic customers: If you are away from home and between flights, Qantas will arrange accommodation, meals and transfers for you. If you are away from home and beginning your journey today, you will need to source your own accommodation.
#International customers: Qantas will arrange accommodation, meals and transfers for you.

8.03am: A recent tweet from @QantasAirways. Probably no surprises.

Qantas Reservations (131313) are experiencing extremely high call volumes. We're very sorry for all affected customers.

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-new ... 1mq0o.html

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Re: The Qantas Strike

Post by mellie » Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:36 am

So, wheres their One-World alliance?

Qantas has an extensive "joint services agreement" with fellow oneworld founder member British Airways, a wide-ranging commercial agreement with American Airlines and codeshares also with Cathay Pacific, Iberia, Japan Airlines, LAN, and Malév.

Beyond oneworld, it has commercial links with Aircalin, Air France, Air Niugini, Air North, Air Pacific, Air Tahiti Nui, Air Vanuatu, Alaska, Asiana, China Eastern, EVA Air, Jet Airways, Kenya Airwyas, Norfolk Air, South African and Vietnam.


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Qantas's One World airline alliance to compliment our One World governments ILO alliance...

This is staged, Qantas are planning on breaking into a lucrative Asian market, off-shoring jobs,

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Re: The Qantas Strike

Post by mantra » Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:24 am

It looks like the bloke who just had his salary increased to $5 million p.a. will guarantee a serious loss of profits for the financial year ending 2012. The shareholders won't be too impressed after putting their trust in him.
Qantas' decision to ground the entire Qantas fleet is "holding a knife to the nation's throat" and CEO Alan Joyce has "gone mad", the Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA) says.

AIPA vice president Richard Woodward said the move was "premeditated, unnecessary and grossly irresponsible".

"Alan Joyce is holding a knife to the nation's throat," Captain Woodward said.
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"No-one predicted this, because no one thought Alan Joyce was completely mad.

"This is a stunning overreaction. It is straight-up blackmail.

"I knew he was trying to kill Qantas, but I didn't know he wanted to do it this quickly.

"This is a grave and serious situation and the board should move to sack Mr Joyce immediately. This is the saddest day of my 25 years with Qantas."

He said AIPA's industrial action has been limited to making brief, positive in-flight announcements and wearing red ties.

"In response to this, Mr Joyce has now locked out every pilot working for Qantas. This is nothing short of crazy behaviour," he said.

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Re: The Qantas Strike

Post by Ethnic » Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:59 am

QANTAS had no choice - either inconvenience 10 000 people this week or let the unions inconvenience 10 000 people every week for the next year. Joyce is trying to put a stop to this madness and we should all support QANTAS in their battle to stay alive. QANTAS has been forced into offshoring jobs because successive governments insisted on opening our skies so bogans could afford to fly. Baggage handlers demand the same money that I earn but I work 10 times harder than they do and they want the same money as me? Pull the other one!

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Re: The Qantas Strike

Post by mantra » Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:43 am

Ethnic wrote:QANTAS had no choice - either inconvenience 10 000 people this week or let the unions inconvenience 10 000 people every week for the next year. Joyce is trying to put a stop to this madness and we should all support QANTAS in their battle to stay alive. QANTAS has been forced into offshoring jobs because successive governments insisted on opening our skies so bogans could afford to fly. Baggage handlers demand the same money that I earn but I work 10 times harder than they do and they want the same money as me? Pull the other one!
I agree with you basically. How many qualifications do you need for the job of a baggage handler and why do they deserve such a high wage? There are others being lumped in with them though. 30,000 workers have nothing to do with the unions yet in the end they will more than likely lose their jobs.

I think Joyce, the government and the unions should have settled this dispute a long time ago, but now Joyce will use this strike and the subsequent grounding to move everything overseas. This will be the end of Qantas. There is going to be too much collateral damage to the customers, economy and the airline for them to survive here.

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Re: The Qantas Strike

Post by Ethnic » Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:57 pm

QANTAS will bring in a big media blitz with special deals and cheap flights to bring the customers back. At the end of the day people want cheap flights which is why QANTAS are in this predicament. Perhaps Dick Smith is right and QANTAS should just be a domestic carrier and that's all. Anyone see Tony Sheldon have a sook on the ABC last night? He got what was long coming to him.

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