Do Women Who Have Killed, Claim Life Does Not Begin At

[mantra.]

Good point Monk. Is one killing worse than the other?

[Pastafarian]

I'm loving how Frogen is deliberately avoiding any mention of his supposed "military" record. In my own personal case, I do not belive it to be killing, because based on what I've seen of the science and the facts (something elseFrogen has problems with). But hey, each to their own, and I agree, that some abortions are done for wrong reasons, but as I've said in my case, based on what was going on at the time, and what has happened since I feel it was the best thing.


For instance, what is more cruel, abortion at 5 wks? Or putting a kid through a lifetime of emotional turmoil because his/her parents split up.


Another question for Frogen? Hows that view from the ivory tower you inhabit?

[Auzgurl]

Short version: Pastafarian IS A KILLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No - Pastafarian is honest, which is more than you're being at present Frogen. You are deflecting any questions that you're being asked and tagging people with thoughtless and nasty judgements. How many people did you kill while you "fought" for your country? Don't you believe all humans have the same right to life that a 6 week old foetus has? You chose to go out and attack - because you weren't defending anyone, with the deliberate intention of killing the so called "enemy". That enemy could have been an innocent civilian or a child. Did you blow up any villages, cars or schools Frogen in your quest to bring democracy to the country where you slaughtered those who got in your way?

You justify your actions, yet condemn others for doing what they have to do.

and Frogen sidestepping faster than a rump ranger at a straight speed dating night, says

No, actually Pastafisnhfetus has not been honest, Pasta talked about his feelings, HIS decision. So far it is all about him and his partner, we have no clue what he thought about the life they were ending.

Pasta did not say whether he defined away the very nature of life to make it easy to kill for HIM or whether he was honest enough to say I have to kill for my own welfare.

That, there is a grand canyon of difference between the two approaches to killing, indeed to one’s value of life.

nothing ...

[Roger Mellie]

Well I warned you all. Frogen has had you all dancing nicely to a stupid tune he is playing. Why is it stupid? Cos if you take his non point and say "fair enough, its all killing, thanks Frogen for pointing that out".

How does it advance any debate? It doesnt. But for some reason he seems to get his rocks off on this point. I would prefer to see him over on a military forum proving his oft stated credentials to some peers, (though of course that will never happen), they will ask one or two pointed questions and his made up persona will melt away. And he knows it as well.

[Aussie]

Well I warned you all. Frogen has had you all dancing nicely to a stupid tune he is playing. Why is it stupid? Cos if you take his non point and say "fair enough, its all killing, thanks Frogen for pointing that out".

How does it advance any debate? It doesnt. But for some reason he seems to get his rocks off on this point. I would prefer to see him over on a military forum proving his oft stated credentials to some peers, (though of course that will never happen), they will ask one or two pointed questions and his made up persona will melt away. And he knows it as well.

Quacks like one, waddles like one, even looks like one.

Do you reckon it's our favourite duck, Frogen?

[JW Frogen]

Which is why soldiers dehumanise their opponents: krauts, gooks, slopes.

And a woman pressured by her partner into having an abortion may try to rationalise away the deed.

Some one has been watching a lot of war movies.

None the less, most soldiers who killed a life during WW2 yet referred to the enemy as Krauts or Japs still were cognizant they were taking a life (unlike many German SS soldiers in relation to Jews or Slavs) highlighting the different attitudes to killing.

Most soldiers during or after battle know and concede they are taking life. (At least in the democratic world) Those who do not would be violating the same principals of humanity and decency that Pasta violates in his last post when he rationalises his decision to kill away by saying he was not really killing a life.

Indeed the solider has one more justification for killing than the person who kills via abortion, in that the soldier can claim self defence where as in most cases of abortion the woman is killing an innocent that is no direct threat to her existence, only her life as she would want it to be.

[JW Frogen]

Well I warned you all. Frogen has had you all dancing nicely to a stupid tune he is playing. Why is it stupid? Cos if you take his non point and say "fair enough, its all killing, thanks Frogen for pointing that out".

How does it advance any debate? It doesnt. But for some reason he seems to get his rocks off on this point. I would prefer to see him over on a military forum proving his oft stated credentials to some peers, (though of course that will never happen), they will ask one or two pointed questions and his made up persona will melt away. And he knows it as well.

Quacks like one, waddles like one, even looks like one.

Do you reckon it's our favourite duck, Frogen?

He (or it) has the stalking quality of Scorpy, also his lack of interest in debating ideas, but who knows, there were so many of these undead-dead on PA.

Our thick witted friend seems oblivious to the nature of the debate and therefore can make no personal contribution to it, oblivious that his "simple point" is so simple many on the thread have yet to accept it, indeed that some on this very thread, like Pasta, much change the very nature and definition of life in order to justify their killing rather than really think about why they have decided to take a life.

If you have never admitted to yourself it is a life then you have killed with a cold ambivalence to all life.

[JW Frogen]

For instance, what is more cruel, abortion at 5 wks? Or putting a kid through a lifetime of emotional turmoil because his/her parents split up.


Another question for Frogen? Hows that view from the ivory tower you inhabit?

That would depend on the kid. There are many happy individuals in the world with fullfilling lives from broken homes.

The question does not address however the main point of the thread, highlighted by you, why must some rationalise away life and it's meaning in order to kill it rather than just accept the gravity of what they feel they must do?

[Jovial Monk]

Most people rationalise unpleasant decisions so they can go on living. This would apply to a woman pressured into having an abortion for some shoddy, selfish reason by her partner or ex partner.

So do soldiers.

Happy now?

[JW Frogen]

I'm loving how Frogen is deliberately avoiding any mention of his supposed "military" record. In my own personal case, I do not belive it to be killing, because based on what I've seen of the science and the facts (something elseFrogen has problems with). ?

According to stalking Roger I have never been in the military.

I have and was always cognizant that it may involve taking a life for the greater good. I would never pretend any enemy, no matter how brutal was not a life simply to make the killing easier.

As to life not starting at conception, when does it start?

All other defintions are hardly scientific as they invovle arbitrary lines born more of political or personal considerations and needs than biology.