Cattle Farmers want compensation.
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Jovial Monk
Re: Cattle Farmers want compensation.
Actually. a lot of the cattle farmers support the ban. Incl the biggest of them, Holmes A’court. 30% of cattle are not tagged. The bad abattoirs had cattle with eartags from a huge number of cattle stations.
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boxy
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Re: Cattle Farmers want compensation.
Keep telling yourself that, Monk.Actually. a lot of the cattle farmers support the ban.
It's the attitude that is going to see Labor back in opposition for another decade plus stint.
Abbott wouldn't deal with the minorities, because he knew that a term of Labor pandering is going to see him stroll in with a ridiculously huge majority that he doesn't even have to earn, apart from pointing out how stupid you clowns are.
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Jovial Monk
Re: Cattle Farmers want compensation.
Revisionist!
Abbott was offering bribes left right and centre.
You been taking stupid pills lately?
Abbott was offering bribes left right and centre.
You been taking stupid pills lately?
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boxy
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Re: Cattle Farmers want compensation.
Makes absolutely no difference to the fact that your heros are fucking themselves over quite effectively, with help from their "allies" 
C'est la vie.
C'est la vie.
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Jovial Monk
Re: Cattle Farmers want compensation.
Yup, stupid pills, alternating with bitter pills. Fucking childish.
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boxy
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Re: Cattle Farmers want compensation.
It's a sad day indeed, when a nutcase religious freak makes more sense than the govt
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Rainbow Moonlight
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Re: Cattle Farmers want compensation.
Letter published on sssf:
Dear Sir,
I must introduce myself. My name is Scot Braithwaite and my life has basically revolved around
live export since I was 10 years old. I was unloading cattle boats in Malaysia at the age of 13. I
have worked for all the major cattle companies including as a Head Stockman in the Northern
Territory. I have a degree in economics from the Queensland University and I personally have
sold more than 1.5 million head of cattle into Indonesia since 1991. I am presently employed as
the marketing manager for Wellard rural exports.
I am writing to you after the Monday program to say that although I abhor the treatment of the
animals shown in the video, your one sided approach to the subject and the possible effect of
that of a ban on live exports is too big a price to pay for a report based on the evidence of an
organization that’s charter is to shut us down. I have the following points to make. I would like
to have the same time as those who denigrated my life to show you the other side of our
industry. To show you what is really going on. In Australia there used to be thing about “A fair
Go”. You have gone with images provided by one person followed up by your investigative
journalist who spent a week in Indonesia. Your report makes out that close to 100% of
Australian cattle are treated as was shown on TV.
1 the ship that appears in the footage “for less than 30 seconds” is a vessel that cost tens of
millions of dollars to build. We have had 3 separate media groups sail with this ship and it can in
no uncertain terms be described as best in class. The Wellard group has another 3 vessels of the
same standard with another 2 being built in China. This is a total investment of 400 million
dollars to ensure that livestock exports from Australia are undertaken at the utmost levels of
cow comfort and animal welfare.
2 the feedlot that was filmed was given a 10 second view. This feedlot is without a doubt world
class. Your viewers should have at least had the opportunity to view large numbers of cattle
eating and sleeping comfortably in a fantastic facility. This company has in addition moved to kill
all his cattle through stunning system that he has control of. This owner has spent 20 years of
his life in the industry, has built his business from nothing, has done all that is required of him
from an animal welfare point of view yet your reporter makes no mention of these things.
3 within A 3 HOUR DRIVE OR a 15 Minute helicopter there are another 3 world class facilities. All
three feedlots including the one filmed, are at, or better than, what can be found in Australia.
The cattle being fed, and the ration being fed, leads to a lot less animal health issues then a
similar size operation in Australia.
One of these facilities is operated and owned by a large Australian pastoral house. They had no
mention in your supposed unbiased report. The operation is run by a North Queensland man
who, through His absolute dedication to excellence has built a feedlot and slaughtering system
that his company, the industry and himself can be very proud of. The system is closed, all the
cattle are already killed through their own abattoir. They import 20 to 25000 cattle year. They
have been doing this for at least 5 years. Why should they be shut down? For what reason could
anyone justify closing this operation down, especially without even bothering to look at what
goes on.
4 the other world class feedlots that could have been investigated with a 3 hour ride in the car
are owned by a large publicly listed Indonesian company. In all, they have on feed 50,000 cattle
and import about 120,000 cattle a year. They have recently built an abattoir( the one that was
briefly shown on the program) They built this 2 years ago as they knew that modern methods
must come to Indonesia and they were willing to make the investment to make it happen.
The total investment from these 3 feedlotters alone in infrastructure and stock is over 100
million dollars. Add to that the hundreds of millions that Wellard have recently invested in ships
and do you really believe that these people would leave the final product to a murderous
bastard with a blunt knife? They not only have tried to ensure the welfare of the animal but
have made investments to make the changes all along the chain. These people deserve to have
their side of the story heard. If the system is not perfect, and it isn’t, they have the wherewithal
and the incentive to make it happen in a very short time.
These 3 importers who have shown a commitment to everything good about animal production,
handle 45 % of total imports.
The other major issue that was not covered was the social responsibility that all feedlotters in
Indonesia practice. Their operations are in relatively isolated poor areas; the feedlots provide
employment opporThe other major issue that was not covered was the social responsibility that all feedlotters in
Indonesia practice. Their operations are in relatively isolated poor areas; the feedlots provide
employment opportunity, advancement through effort, and a market for thousands of tons of
feedstuffs grown for the cattle. My understanding is that 8000 people are directly employed by
the feedlots and over 1000000 people are reliant on the regular income made from supplying
corn silage and other feedstuffs. This is not made up, it is fact. It can be easily checked. I will bet
my 1000000 farmers against the 1000000 signatures on the ban order. It is very easy to sit in
your comfortable chair and criticize but is it really worth the human cost to ban something that
can be fixed and fixed reasonable quickly?
That is Sumatra.
In JKT there is the largest privately owned abattoir that kills about 4 to 6000 heads a month. It is
a well run facility that has no welfare issues. In addition it was working on getting a stun system
in place well before the 4 corners report. No photos from here, yet this is another who has
been doing the right thing and who will lose his business if the trade is banned.
The largest Importer in to Jakarta, has also built a slaughter facility in the past 12 months. It has
not been commissioned yet but can be made ready within a month. They also have a private
bone to pick with the program. AS was not reported in the show, abattoirs in Indonesia are
operated by any number of individual ‘Wholesalers”. They control the space and the manpower
kills their number for the night and then hand over to the next team. In any one night 8 to 10
separate operators can be using the same facility. In the case of the footage of the head
slapping the camera panned to the cattle waiting and the tags of AA, Newcastle Waters and his
company were made very prominent. Yes, they were there but the team that handled was
different to one being filmed. They protest, that their crews are well trained, no head slapping
occurs and very large and sharp knives are used to ensure a bloody but quick end. I have no
reason to doubt them because I have seen a lot of their cattle handled at point of slaughter and
their crews are well trained with immediate results. Where can their case be heard?
I have watched literally thousands of cattle slaughtered in the boxes in Indonesia. Yes there are
problems, as there are at every point of slaughter on every type of animal in the world, but 98%
of the cattle I watched killed was quick and without fuss. Why is there not one shot of what
happens 98% of the time? The shots of outright cruelty are totally unacceptable and the
slaughter of cattle is still gruesome and confronting but is not as prevalent as portrayed in your
report. Yes it does some times happen but it is the exception not the rule. And we are already
taking steps to improve the system and we have the ability to ensure all animals are stunned in
a very short time.
Yes there are a couple of operators who in the short term will not be able to handle the new
way. But they will be dropped, no commitment to stunning, no supply. No negotiation. There
are also a number of operators privately owned who were, to all intents and purposes, doing
the right thing. They were asked to supply through the boxes and they have. They will be asked
to only supply though a stunning FACILITY and they will. They have far too much invested in the
whole industry over many years to not do as we ask.
I am asking for a fair go. You have been expertly manipulated. Hear the actual other side of the
story let the Australian public see both sides. I am happy to make all the arrangements. This is
too important to let sit with the images you portrayed on Monday without recourse.
Scot Braithwaite
Thread is called 4 corners- the other side.
http://www2b.abc.net.au/science/k2/stn/
Dear Sir,
I must introduce myself. My name is Scot Braithwaite and my life has basically revolved around
live export since I was 10 years old. I was unloading cattle boats in Malaysia at the age of 13. I
have worked for all the major cattle companies including as a Head Stockman in the Northern
Territory. I have a degree in economics from the Queensland University and I personally have
sold more than 1.5 million head of cattle into Indonesia since 1991. I am presently employed as
the marketing manager for Wellard rural exports.
I am writing to you after the Monday program to say that although I abhor the treatment of the
animals shown in the video, your one sided approach to the subject and the possible effect of
that of a ban on live exports is too big a price to pay for a report based on the evidence of an
organization that’s charter is to shut us down. I have the following points to make. I would like
to have the same time as those who denigrated my life to show you the other side of our
industry. To show you what is really going on. In Australia there used to be thing about “A fair
Go”. You have gone with images provided by one person followed up by your investigative
journalist who spent a week in Indonesia. Your report makes out that close to 100% of
Australian cattle are treated as was shown on TV.
1 the ship that appears in the footage “for less than 30 seconds” is a vessel that cost tens of
millions of dollars to build. We have had 3 separate media groups sail with this ship and it can in
no uncertain terms be described as best in class. The Wellard group has another 3 vessels of the
same standard with another 2 being built in China. This is a total investment of 400 million
dollars to ensure that livestock exports from Australia are undertaken at the utmost levels of
cow comfort and animal welfare.
2 the feedlot that was filmed was given a 10 second view. This feedlot is without a doubt world
class. Your viewers should have at least had the opportunity to view large numbers of cattle
eating and sleeping comfortably in a fantastic facility. This company has in addition moved to kill
all his cattle through stunning system that he has control of. This owner has spent 20 years of
his life in the industry, has built his business from nothing, has done all that is required of him
from an animal welfare point of view yet your reporter makes no mention of these things.
3 within A 3 HOUR DRIVE OR a 15 Minute helicopter there are another 3 world class facilities. All
three feedlots including the one filmed, are at, or better than, what can be found in Australia.
The cattle being fed, and the ration being fed, leads to a lot less animal health issues then a
similar size operation in Australia.
One of these facilities is operated and owned by a large Australian pastoral house. They had no
mention in your supposed unbiased report. The operation is run by a North Queensland man
who, through His absolute dedication to excellence has built a feedlot and slaughtering system
that his company, the industry and himself can be very proud of. The system is closed, all the
cattle are already killed through their own abattoir. They import 20 to 25000 cattle year. They
have been doing this for at least 5 years. Why should they be shut down? For what reason could
anyone justify closing this operation down, especially without even bothering to look at what
goes on.
4 the other world class feedlots that could have been investigated with a 3 hour ride in the car
are owned by a large publicly listed Indonesian company. In all, they have on feed 50,000 cattle
and import about 120,000 cattle a year. They have recently built an abattoir( the one that was
briefly shown on the program) They built this 2 years ago as they knew that modern methods
must come to Indonesia and they were willing to make the investment to make it happen.
The total investment from these 3 feedlotters alone in infrastructure and stock is over 100
million dollars. Add to that the hundreds of millions that Wellard have recently invested in ships
and do you really believe that these people would leave the final product to a murderous
bastard with a blunt knife? They not only have tried to ensure the welfare of the animal but
have made investments to make the changes all along the chain. These people deserve to have
their side of the story heard. If the system is not perfect, and it isn’t, they have the wherewithal
and the incentive to make it happen in a very short time.
These 3 importers who have shown a commitment to everything good about animal production,
handle 45 % of total imports.
The other major issue that was not covered was the social responsibility that all feedlotters in
Indonesia practice. Their operations are in relatively isolated poor areas; the feedlots provide
employment opporThe other major issue that was not covered was the social responsibility that all feedlotters in
Indonesia practice. Their operations are in relatively isolated poor areas; the feedlots provide
employment opportunity, advancement through effort, and a market for thousands of tons of
feedstuffs grown for the cattle. My understanding is that 8000 people are directly employed by
the feedlots and over 1000000 people are reliant on the regular income made from supplying
corn silage and other feedstuffs. This is not made up, it is fact. It can be easily checked. I will bet
my 1000000 farmers against the 1000000 signatures on the ban order. It is very easy to sit in
your comfortable chair and criticize but is it really worth the human cost to ban something that
can be fixed and fixed reasonable quickly?
That is Sumatra.
In JKT there is the largest privately owned abattoir that kills about 4 to 6000 heads a month. It is
a well run facility that has no welfare issues. In addition it was working on getting a stun system
in place well before the 4 corners report. No photos from here, yet this is another who has
been doing the right thing and who will lose his business if the trade is banned.
The largest Importer in to Jakarta, has also built a slaughter facility in the past 12 months. It has
not been commissioned yet but can be made ready within a month. They also have a private
bone to pick with the program. AS was not reported in the show, abattoirs in Indonesia are
operated by any number of individual ‘Wholesalers”. They control the space and the manpower
kills their number for the night and then hand over to the next team. In any one night 8 to 10
separate operators can be using the same facility. In the case of the footage of the head
slapping the camera panned to the cattle waiting and the tags of AA, Newcastle Waters and his
company were made very prominent. Yes, they were there but the team that handled was
different to one being filmed. They protest, that their crews are well trained, no head slapping
occurs and very large and sharp knives are used to ensure a bloody but quick end. I have no
reason to doubt them because I have seen a lot of their cattle handled at point of slaughter and
their crews are well trained with immediate results. Where can their case be heard?
I have watched literally thousands of cattle slaughtered in the boxes in Indonesia. Yes there are
problems, as there are at every point of slaughter on every type of animal in the world, but 98%
of the cattle I watched killed was quick and without fuss. Why is there not one shot of what
happens 98% of the time? The shots of outright cruelty are totally unacceptable and the
slaughter of cattle is still gruesome and confronting but is not as prevalent as portrayed in your
report. Yes it does some times happen but it is the exception not the rule. And we are already
taking steps to improve the system and we have the ability to ensure all animals are stunned in
a very short time.
Yes there are a couple of operators who in the short term will not be able to handle the new
way. But they will be dropped, no commitment to stunning, no supply. No negotiation. There
are also a number of operators privately owned who were, to all intents and purposes, doing
the right thing. They were asked to supply through the boxes and they have. They will be asked
to only supply though a stunning FACILITY and they will. They have far too much invested in the
whole industry over many years to not do as we ask.
I am asking for a fair go. You have been expertly manipulated. Hear the actual other side of the
story let the Australian public see both sides. I am happy to make all the arrangements. This is
too important to let sit with the images you portrayed on Monday without recourse.
Scot Braithwaite
Thread is called 4 corners- the other side.
http://www2b.abc.net.au/science/k2/stn/
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boxy
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Re: Cattle Farmers want compensation.
TL;DR
This govt makes policy on the basis of a few minutes of biased footage rather than looking into the issue.
This govt makes policy on the basis of a few minutes of biased footage rather than looking into the issue.
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Rainbow Moonlight
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Re: Cattle Farmers want compensation.
It sounds like the decision could do with some adjustments- intent was right but sounds like the detail was wrong, unless it is a temporary measure untilt hey can get thinsg in place to be sure who is doing the right thing and whoi isn't. Hopefully for these people it wont take six months. (Not that I eat meat, but I certainly understand the points mad ein the letter and teh meat industry and live cattle industry do exist)
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