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Pastafarian
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Sprintcyclist, try this

Post by Pastafarian » Wed May 25, 2011 1:00 pm

Stop crying poor and fix the mess Ross Gittins
May 25, 2011


Like most people, I'm an instinctive optimist. In any case, I see no margin in pessimism. If you concluded the world was irredeemably wicked, or destined for certain destruction, what would be left but to curl up and die? Since we can never be certain the end is nigh, much better to keep living and keep plugging away for a better world.

I confess, however, I've needed all my optimistic instincts to avoid despair over the hash we're making of the need to take action against global warming. We're exhibiting everything that's unattractive about the Australian character.

We pride ourselves that Aussies are good in a crisis, but until the walls start falling in on us we couldn't reach agreement to shut the door against the cold.

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This week's report from the Climate Commission - established to provide expert advice on the science of climate change and its effects on Australia - tells us nothing we didn't already know, but everything we've lost sight of in our efforts to advance our own interests at the expense of the nation's.

Its 70 pages boil down to four propositions we'd rather not think about. First, there is no doubt the climate is changing. The evidence is overwhelming and clear.

The atmosphere is warming, the ocean is warming, ice is being lost from glaciers and ice caps and sea levels are rising. Global surface temperature is rising fast; the last decade was the hottest on record.

Second, we are already seeing the social, economic and environmental effects of a changing climate. In the past 50 years the number of record hot days in Australia has more than doubled. This has increased the risk of heatwaves and associated deaths, as well as extreme bushfire weather.

The sea level has risen by 20 centimetres since the late 1800s, affecting many coastal communities. Another 20-centimetre increase by 2050 is likely, on present projections, which would more than double the risk of coastal flooding.

Third, these changes are triggered by human activities - particularly the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation - which are increasing greenhouse gases, with carbon dioxide the most important of these gases.

Fourth, this is the critical decade. Decisions we make from now to 2020 will determine the severity of climate change our children and grandchildren experience. Without strong and rapid action there is a risk climate change will undermine society's prosperity, health, stability and way of life.

That scientists still need to repeat these long-established truths is a measure of how much we've allowed short-sighted and selfish concerns to distract us from the need to respond urgently to a clear and present danger.

In this we haven't been well served by our leaders. The Labor government's decline dates from Kevin Rudd's loss of nerve after the defeat of his carbon pollution reduction scheme in the Senate in late 2009, following the success of the Coalition's climate-change deniers in overthrowing Malcolm Turnbull and replacing him with a man whose record showed him willing to take whatever position on climate change he thought would advance his career.

Had Rudd the courage of his professed convictions, he would have taken the question to a double-dissolution election, fighting in defence of his ''great big new tax on everything''. Instead he dithered, eventually yielding to pressure from those in his party - including Julia Gillard and Wayne Swan - wanting to put the government's survival ahead of its duty.

Oppositions play a vital role in a parliamentary democracy and opposition leaders are given considerable licence. They're not expected to speak the unvarnished truth. Dishonest scare campaigns have long been used by both sides.

I don't like using the L-word, but Tony Abbott is setting new lows in the lightness with which he plays with the truth. He blatantly works both sides of the street, nodding happily in the company of climate-change deniers, but in more intellectually respectable company professing belief in human-caused global warming, his commitment to reducing carbon emissions by 5 per cent by 2020 and the efficacy of his no-offence policies.

He grossly exaggerates the costs involved in a carbon tax, telling business audiences they'll have to pay the lot and be destroyed by it, while telling the punters business will pass all the costs on to them. He forgets to mention that most of the proceeds from the tax will be returned as compensation to businesses and households.

He repeats the half-truth that nothing Australians could do by themselves would reduce global emissions, while failing to correct the punters' ignorant belief that Australia is the only country contemplating action. Last week's news that Britain's Conservative coalition government has pledged to cut emissions by half within 15 years is ignored. Economists call this mentality ''free-riding''; the old Australian word for it is ''bludging''.

But it's far too easy to blame our failure to face up to climate change just on our hopeless politicians. Our increasingly partisan media have failed to hold Abbott to account over his duplicity. Many have sought to increase circulation or ratings by joining in the fear-mongering and denial. The media's love of controversy has led them to give doubters of the science of climate change a credibility they don't deserve against the weight of scientific opinion.

Australians are proud of their inbuilt bulldust detectors, but on this issue they seemed to have turned them off, happily believing whatever self-serving nonsense is served up to them. The one thing humans are meant to care about above all is the survival of their young. Yet people with the highest standard of living in history are whingeing that they couldn't possibly afford to pay a bit more for their electricity.


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Re: Sprintcyclist, try this

Post by sprintcyclist » Wed May 25, 2011 10:35 pm

Hi pasta

First, there is no doubt the climate is changing. The evidence is overwhelming and clear.

The atmosphere is warming, the ocean is warming, ice is being lost from glaciers and ice caps and sea levels are rising. Global surface temperature is rising fast; the last decade was the hottest on record.
yes it is.
the worlds climate always changes.

Second, we are already seeing the social, economic and environmental effects of a changing climate. In the past 50 years the number of record hot days in Australia has more than doubled. This has increased the risk of heatwaves and associated deaths, as well as extreme bushfire weather.

The sea level has risen by 20 centimetres since the late 1800s, affecting many coastal communities. Another 20-centimetre increase by 2050 is likely, on present projections, which would more than double the risk of coastal flooding.

yes, dinosaurs had this sort of thing too.
Since the 1800's .................. now thats a long bow to draw.

Third, these changes are triggered by human activities - particularly the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation - which are increasing greenhouse gases, with carbon dioxide the most important of these gases.
going to even bother to pretend to have any evidence there ?

Fourth, this is the critical decade. Decisions we make from now to 2020 will determine the severity of climate change our children and grandchildren experience. Without strong and rapid action there is a risk climate change will undermine society's prosperity, health, stability and way of life.
Says who ??
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Re: Sprintcyclist, try this

Post by sprintcyclist » Wed May 25, 2011 11:02 pm

pasta - suppose us humans are ruining the planet by breathing and driving cars.

what's your solution ?
Tax the air?
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Re: Sprintcyclist, try this

Post by Jovial Monk » Thu May 26, 2011 9:56 am

Tax emissions or the emitters. That so hard to grasp, cruntcyclist?

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Re: Sprintcyclist, try this

Post by sprintcyclist » Thu May 26, 2011 10:24 am

tax all who exhale .

won't make an iota of difference, but will raise a lot of cash for a wasteful govt
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Re: Sprintcyclist, try this

Post by Pastafarian » Thu May 26, 2011 1:30 pm

sprintcyclist wrote:pasta - suppose us humans are ruining the planet by breathing and driving cars.

what's your solution ?
Tax the air?

Reward efficient mechanisms of energy productions etc
Tax inefficient mechanisms.


Fairly easy I would have thought. And this crap about it being pointless. Everyone else is doing it (or examining it) if we can fund proper research we stand to gain.
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Re: Sprintcyclist, try this

Post by sprintcyclist » Thu May 26, 2011 11:24 pm

Pastafarian wrote:
sprintcyclist wrote:pasta - suppose us humans are ruining the planet by breathing and driving cars.

what's your solution ?
Tax the air?

Reward efficient mechanisms of energy productions etc
Tax inefficient mechanisms.


Fairly easy I would have thought. And this crap about it being pointless. Everyone else is doing it (or examining it) if we can fund proper research we stand to gain.

if its an efficient form of energy production, everyone will use it.
the efficiency will be it's own reward

If it's inefficient, it'll be bypassed for efficient forms by the free market

you are so offtheplanet, must be a chief leftardian.
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Re: Sprintcyclist, try this

Post by Jovial Monk » Fri May 27, 2011 5:46 am

You are so stupid it is a wonder you can breath cruncyclist.

Things don’t work in the simplistic manner you describe—you don’t work yet, do you? At present, inefficient energy sources are subsidised—diesel subsidies say and by the way carbon pollution is allowed to happen for free.

Bringing a whole country out of its present rut and into a low carbon emitting way of life takes major effort.

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Re: Sprintcyclist, try this

Post by sprintcyclist » Sat May 28, 2011 7:05 pm

go back to poochie.

do you release more carbon after a session with her/him ??
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