VOTE NO ON AUSSIE'S REFERENDUM

[HIGHERBEAM]

And to make matters worse he is getting way behind on his stamp licking duties.

Fleadriver have you got anything better to do than trying to come here and disrupt the forum with your useless dribble,If you want to have a real debate with links and more than one liners pick a subject.

[freediver]

OK. How about we discuss why Aussie's referendum is a really bad idea?

[HIGHERBEAM]

As usual you have one liners and no links to your reference areas,just what I expect Fleadriver.

[Jovial Monk]

FD and I have been arguing the case. For that we get told we are making ourselves unpopular/ridiculous whatever.

No one has honestly argued the merits or otherwise of Aussie’s amendment with us.

[Rainbow Moonlight]

The merit of the amendment is that a petition will not be allowed to stand for ridiculous lengths of time in order to gather enough signatures. Allowing very long times for a petition to stand means:

1. Initial signatories may no longer agree, or may have left or been banned. Circumstances surrounding signatories change.

2. if the petition stands for along time, then the issue that gave rise to the petition in the first place may well not be the reason the petition is signed by someone later on. Thus initial signatories and later signatories may not be in agreement. (For instance- a petition against aussie might be started because of - say- editing time limits. As a result of the petition starting aussie may adjust them slightly, then someone a month later might sign the petition because they don't like the adjustment.) Circumstances on the forum change.

3. Temporary new members (IE Kiwi-Dave) could join up, acquire a brief but sufficient posting history, and vote, in order to get the petition passed.

4. If there is good reason that is apparent to most members, and they rate the reason of sufficient concern, then a petition should be easily passed within a relatively short time frame - it should not need 3 months or more to pass.

[mantra]

So Rainbow - what about those meatpuppets who have come or will come out of the woodwork to vote in favour of Aussie's and your amendment? Why should their vote be included? Most of them aren't active or regular members. I think you should have some say because you've been around for a long time - but there have to be some compromises to suit all the members. Petitions should go for the whole year. It also gives some sort of assessment as to how the Administrator or moderators have been performing over a long period.

[Rainbow Moonlight]

Aussies friends from the taxi forum are welcome here. And they should be able to vote this time, as kiwi-dave did previously.

However, in Aussie's new constitution (the constitution thread, not the amendment thread) I think there is a provision he is suggesting that members have to be active for a reasonable time making a reasonable number of posts prior to signing a petition- ie meat puppets wouldn't count, unless they were regular posters here. (And in that case they wouldn't be meat puppets. ) I support that idea he has for the new constitution.

[Jovial Monk]

I am fine with all that, ele, but not for a Petition to unseat an Admin, what was solved with kiwi_dave would destroy the board if the kiwi_dave mechanism cannot be used and no other mechanism existed. Currently, no alternative mechanism to unseat an Admin exists and so I will not, can not, support the amendment in its current form.

[Robina]

Oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes I vote no, no no oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes oh yes

[Aussie]

There IS a mechanism, and it is mischievous of you to suggest there is not one. In two months, get enough aye votes in a Petition and Bob's yer Uncle. If Admin genuinely is crap, there will be a rush of Members signing up within a week.