New Constitution

[Jovial Monk]

Maybe there should be a requirement that when there is a complete stalemate and a majority of members, who have been active in the couple of weeks before sign such Petition, that the Host steps in, boots out the Admin and conducts an election for new Admin in which the old Admin can’t run.

I don’t want to see any hole in corner shit like MM and kiwi_dave ever again!

No Aussie it is not aimed at you. boxy was just as big a log as you were at your worst. Selfish arseholes who have driven off most of the membership cannot be allowed to frustrate the wishes of the membership.

Similarly, Petitions should have a simple test of a majority, no magic number bullshit.

Aussie, thoughts?

[Aussie]

Maybe there should be a requirement that when there is a complete stalemate and a majority of members, who have been active in the couple of weeks before sign such Petition, that the Host steps in, boots out the Admin and conducts an election for new Admin in which the old Admin can’t run.

I don’t want to see any hole in corner shit like MM and kiwi_dave ever again!

No Aussie it is not aimed at you. boxy was just as big a log as you were at your worst. Selfish arseholes who have driven off most of the membership cannot be allowed to frustrate the wishes of the membership.

Similarly, Petitions should have a simple test of a majority, no magic number bullshit.

Aussie, thoughts?

I agree with you re: Petitions. Outcome decided by majority at the time the Petition period ends. I am still considering what may be the subject of Petitions. For example, I am not keen on Member status be determined by Petition, i.e. bannings and or suspensions.

I am still trying to work out what you mean in your first paragraph?

I am also debating with myself whether Admin elections ought be determined on a first past the post or preferential system. After all this is a Forum, not Parliament, and there are no 'parties' as it were. Use of a preferential system in places like this only encourages useless and irrelevant factions, I reckon. Dunno.

[freediver]

I agree with you re: Petitions. Outcome decided by majority at the time the Petition period ends.

Majority of what? Are you confusing a petition with a vote?

[Aussie]

I agree with you re: Petitions. Outcome decided by majority at the time the Petition period ends.

Majority of what? Are you confusing a petition with a vote?

I am not adopting your terminology. The Constitution I have in mind will not be structured the same way as yours is. I have in mind a situation where anyone can start a Petition. Let's say the Petition Period is (to be ridiculous....to avoid anyone believing I have a fixed view on it) is 24 hours. The outcome will be determined by counting the number of yeahs and nays posted in that period.

[lisa jones]

Who is eligible to say yay or nay though?

Just asking ..

[freediver]

So every member can start as many votes as they want - we could have a hundred active at any time? And any that have a majority of responders saying yes get passed, even if only 3 people respond?

[Jovial Monk]

I am trying to allow for a situation where there is an unpopular Admin who has driven members away and a Petition to bring forward election for Admin can’t pass. Then the Host can don his GG hat and boot out that Admin and call fresh elections.

Preferential voting has nothing to do with factions and the members of a PA site should be able to handle the sort of OPV we have. I am not fond of first past the post voting systems.

[Aussie]

So every member can start as many votes as they want - we could have a hundred active at any time? And any that have a majority of responders saying yes get passed, even if only 3 people respond?

Correct. That is why it is important to set the boundaries of what may the subject of what you call 'votes' and what I will call 'Petitions.'

If only 3 of 100 vote on an issue, it probably reflects on the relevance/importance of the matter.

[Aussie]

I am trying to allow for a situation where there is an unpopular Admin who has driven members away and a Petition to bring forward election for Admin can’t pass. Then the Host can don his GG hat and boot out that Admin and call fresh elections.

Can you clarify that. Remember.......I propose that only those people who have met the criteria for eligibility to vote, may vote.

There will be provision for getting rid of Admin. at any time. But, if one is to vote on that matter, then one must meet the criteria which are yet to be set.

[Jovial Monk]

If hardly anyone is around a Petition won’t get signed.