Sappho is signing out. Good bye. Good luck.

[Jovial Monk]

Well, I couldn't remember any and I thought it weird that MM said she was told she was being insulted. I put my hand up to saying affectated but that is a fact!

MM what do you have to say about this?

Who told you you were being insulted?

What insults were mentioned as having been uttered?

[Monkey Magic]

As Admin. I want you here in whatever capacity you choose.

But Monk and Lisa don't... they have made it clear that they only want me here within a very limited capacity... As Sappho, what ever the fuck that means and minus the creative urge set free... where it is that that creative urge doesn't appeal to them. They use words like sensible and normal to define the restrictions they want placed on me.

They are denying my intellectual and creative spirit in preference for something ordinary and normal as I suspect they view themselves to be. I can't be restricted like that Aussie... and I won't be told to tow their line. They want to trap and tame me... but I am a little bit wild... that is my appeal for fucks sake.

I am obviously not welcomed as I am by those who dominate this forum.... and you do and did nothing to stop this unwelcoming trend to propagate.

I have a promise to honour. I will not insult or show meanness towards anyone...

I sought no promise from you. You offered, and I made no reply to that promise. So, you are legally as free as any bird concerning that 'promise.'

Sappho/MM....what I am trying to reduce is level of abuse made for no reason other than abuse

I have never said that you forced me to make that promise. I have always spoken of that promise as something I freely offered in support of your Admin and your intentions for this forum... something Monk and Lisa show no intention of doing.

You are not bound by a promise made without consideration, as is the case here. Another Mod must have dealt with your 'reports,' as I cannot recall seeing any. If you have a concern, feel free to PM me about it.

You delt with my complaints... You replied to my Sappho account in PM with the subject title 'Report'. You assured me that you would speak to Lisa about her unwarranted nastiness towards me. I am now telling you... that nothing changed and that I feel most unwelcome because of Monk and Lisa and their unwarranted and snide, shitty little tag team comments.

And note won't you that it hasn't stopped... and that you continue to do nothing! And it bothers me... because you are not living up to your vision for this place. It is as though, you fear dealing with them... but if you did... the regulars might come back.

Sappho/MM.....can I ask that you review the relevant PM exchange we had? I am sure that after you have done that, you will see that I was not asking you to do mod like work.

You said... that you are on the edge of banning Mellie and that my challenge if I choose to accept was to provide you with reasons as to why you should not ban her. Now I ask you... how could I refuse? More than that... how is that not an ultimatum? It clearly says to me... do nothing and she's banned... do something, and if I'm convinced by that something, she's not banned.

I was asking for an opinion, which you freely gave, and you showed continuing interest in the outcome.

Yes you did ask for my opinion and that request for my opinion was presented as an ultimatum. And of course I asked you what you had decided, because I was entailed to the decision making process.

I often seek the opinions of Members on many matters, a step I take before taking an issue to the Mods. So far, I have not had to call the Mods together for a discussions about a ban or suspension.

And yet it is to the mods that your concerns should be aired and discussed... not members with no mod interest... or worse... members who would normally have Mellie on 'ignore', as I do, because their negative bias is clear and obvious. Yet that is exactly what you did... you denied your mods their role and asked an ordinary member with no time for Mellie's posts, and has them on ignore normally, to give opinions on why she should not be banned.

No one is doing my business, Sappho. I am perfectly capable of doing my own.

Then do something about the stifling presence that would seek to make the long term members so unwelcome as to leave. And you might also like to make a few demands on their intellect and creativity which seems to extend only to hugz, insults, wealth acquisition and dog training.

I hope you stay and make the valuable contributions you can.

Cheers.

The dominant members are not creative enough or intellectual enough or inclined enough to debate, rather they are inclined towards triviality and insults... that is very unwelcoming for a person of my abilities.

I'm posting at D&R... for ever consistent in it's harmless humour and intellectual endeavour... and they also give me the freedom to be creative without ever trying to shut me down. They get people like Lisa and Monk also... but they never manage to take over the forum as they have done here.

[Jovial Monk]

Oh garbage, we want you to stay!

[lisa jones]

Hey Mr Monk .. I'm over at the Bar.

I'm not into pity parties.

[Aussie]

Sappho/MM.....I believe the only comments I need to answer is this one:

I'm posting at D&R... for ever consistent in it's harmless humour and intellectual endeavour... and they also give me the freedom to be creative without ever trying to shut me down. They get people like Lisa and Monk also... but they never manage to take over the forum as they have done here.

My response is quite simple. No one has shut you down here. Only I can do that, and ???????

If you leave the field, you can hardly whinge about others taking 'over the forum.' Why would you just surrender the field, and then whine about it? Have you no intestinal fortitude? Mate, you were quite chatty when others held the 'precious.' No need to do a dummy spit, because the horse you backed lost. You have nothing to fear from me........as I have proved. Just get on with it, Sappho/MM.

Post away, MM/Sappho. No-one gets any favours, and none need favours from me, including you.

The promise you made was to yourself, not to me.

[Monkey Magic]

If you leave the field, you can hardly whinge about others taking 'over the forum.' Why would you just surrender the field, and then whine about it?

Not really a whine Aussie... but definitely feedback for you to ponder. Do you know the difference?

Otherwise, if I leave the field it is because my type of intellect, debate and creativity is not welcome nor encouraged by admin. You are the leader Aussie. It is your role to get members to journey along with you to achieve your vision.

My complaints about the nasty natures held by Monk and Lisa are really just the icing on the cake which cause the.... ah fuck it... mentality. It is you and your inability to realise your vision that is the underlying cause.

Compare and contrast the same topic on two different forums and ask yourself.... why is that thread treated with more respect and intelligence there but not here. What are you doing wrong that should cause that stark difference? Why are Lisa and Monk, who are the most prolific posters here now, contributing nothing of worth or merit to this forum? Are they really so intellectually stunted... or are they more motivated to destroy any semblance of higher order thinking in this place?

http://ozpolitic.com/polanimal/viewtopi ... &sk=t&sd=a
Your forum...
http://www.debaterelate.com/forum/viewt ... =15&t=5769
Boondocker and Nicole's forum....

Huge difference there Aussie... guess which thread I prefer engaging?

[Aussie]

Sappho/MM....I have not checked either of those. I have no need.

I'll go back to fundamentals.

You wailed that if I was elected as Admin, I would ban you. Fact is......???????

Just get on with posting Sappho/MM.

Cheers.

[Monkey Magic]

Sappho/MM....I have not checked either of those. I have no need.

I'll go back to fundamentals.

You wailed that if I was elected as Admin, I would ban you. Fact is......???????

Just get on with posting Sappho/MM.

Cheers.

You are right... you did not ban me when you became Admin... but equally, the forum of these past few weeks has become a place of infantile intelligence. Send me an email when you have figured out what to do about that and done something about that. lol

Hugz and kisses.

[lisa jones]

Well Mr Monk .. the ONLY person insulting others in this topic thus far has been Sappho/Monkey Magic.

A cursory glance confirms that.

And it's been going on for days too under the guise of a protracted pity party aka supposed signing out???

Ah well Sappho/Monkey Magic/whoever you are .. goodbye and good luck.

Now .. where's that PA Bar

[Aussie]

Sappho/MM....I have not checked either of those. I have no need.

I'll go back to fundamentals.

You wailed that if I was elected as Admin, I would ban you. Fact is......???????

Just get on with posting Sappho/MM.

Cheers.

You are right... you did not ban me when you became Admin... but equally, the forum of these past few weeks has become a place of infantile intelligence. Send me an email when you have figured out what to do about that and done something about that. lol

Hugz and kisses.

No....I will not send you an email or a PM, lest you whinge about the hide I might have to do so. Sappho/MM.....you are a valued Member of PA.....just get on with it.........and......forget the 'hugz and kisses.'

That is for Lisa...........not you.