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boxy
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by boxy » Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:06 pm
Everyone seems fixated on breeding their way out of this problem that was caused by overbreeding
A range of policy measures will be needed to reduce the fiscal pressure from ageing and/or to finance the fiscal gap.
* Plausible increases in fertility and net migration would have little impact on ageing trends.
* Measures to raise productivity and participation would enhance income growth and the capacity to ‘pay’ for the costs of ageing, including through taxation. However their ability to alleviate fiscal pressure directly depends on the extent to which service demands and costs continue to rise with growth.
* More cost-effective service provision, especially in health care, would alleviate a major source of fiscal pressure at its source.
Timely action would avoid a need for costly or inequitable ‘big bang’ interventions later. Population ageing can only be conceived as a crisis if we let it become one.
Breeding ourselves into a deeper hole isn't the only way out.
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Jovial Monk
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by Jovial Monk » Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:10 pm
More cost-effective service provision, especially in health care,
Another need/role for the NBN. Pity the Libs are led by a dickhead and let him do all their thinking.
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by donniedarko » Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:12 pm
Breeding is more fun than having to say 'no sorry we aren't going to spend more on health care', or 'our new policy is to not fund hospital stays for people with alcohol-related or obesity-related diabetes.'
Boxy - I don't disagree with you. But, I do believe there needs to be an absolute minimum GDP generated to meet needs. What these needs are, or what the relative standard of living of course are matters of endless debate.
If more GPD per capita, and more net GDP can't be squeezed out of the physical number of human beings, then the way the GDP is spent/allocated needs to change. And no polly wants to tell his constituents that he refuses to spend money on things that want like access to new fancy hospital procedures etc or shorter waiting times for elective surgery.
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lisa jones
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by lisa jones » Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:48 am
Swami Dring wrote:boxy wrote:In an overpopulated world, should it be a right, to be able to breed?
I definitely shouldn't be financially encouraged, imo. Just more porkbarreling, I guess

Although it nauseates me to see morons pissing in the gene pool, breeding should be a right, but the number must be limited. No more than two per couple. Baby credits could be traded. Then folks like me could profit from baby-barfers.
Babies are the most beautiful and precious human beings on this planet. Without them .. what hope is left for humanity?
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Pastafarian
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by Pastafarian » Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:51 am
Swami Dring wrote:Although it nauseates me to see morons pissing in the gene pool, breeding should be a right, but the number must be limited. No more than two per couple. Baby credits could be traded. Then folks like me could profit from baby-barfers.
The best one I heard was in a novel I read, every person when they were born were given a credit of 3/4 of a child. Thus when they formed couples, each couple had the right to have 1.5 children. If they only wanted one, they could sell the right for the last 0.5 child to a couple who wanted two. You thus created a supply and demand situation.
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lisa jones
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by lisa jones » Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:05 pm
That idea sounds bloody terrible to be honest.
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Jovial Monk
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by Jovial Monk » Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:25 pm
Trouble with any restriction of breeding rights—too many will want to have a son. In china lots of baby girls were killed and there are 100m young chinese men who will never marry.
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Pastafarian
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by Pastafarian » Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:06 pm
lisa jones wrote:That idea sounds bloody terrible to be honest.
On what basis?
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by Pastafarian » Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:07 pm
Jovial Monk wrote:Trouble with any restriction of breeding rights—too many will want to have a son. In china lots of baby girls were killed and there are 100m young chinese men who will never marry.
But thats only on the basis of a culture where sons look after parents, and daughters are expected to look after her parents-in-law.
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by Jovial Monk » Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:30 pm
That would be any culture where things are a bit tough. Just saying, controlling breeding is NEVER easy.
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