Is there a role for nuclear energy?

[mellie]

No one that has a B.Sc harks back to their Physics 1 and 2 days as a pivotal moment in their study of nuclear science. Monk would have struggled with understanding what a camel was let alone the concepts involved in velocity and acceleration.

I'd say his claim of a B.Sc is as full of shit as he is.

Monks Physics, The force of air tunnelling through his ears, whereby resistance would "NORMALLY" be observed to oppose the motion of an object such as a brain...in contrast to his void skull, whereby under the circumstances resistance is not observed, thus he defies the laws of physics, with every breath he takes.

I could suggest a raft of alternative physics related theories, re- Monk and tunnels...force -vrs- resistance of a foul smelling brown mass, but probably shouldn't go there on this thread.

[Viking King.]

There is one thing I have noticed in all the forums I have been,
those of the Lib party thinking, when in opposition, always scratch and bitch,
then when they have the power sit back and say, "We don't associate with low lifes"
Never satisfied one way or the other.

And labor and the left never scratched and bitched for 12 years?

PMSL....

Everyone bitches under a regime they didn't vote for when they conduct themselves unethically, and in my case, more so given I voted for Kevin Rudd and regretted doing so within months of having done so...weeks in fact...when the pangs of embarrassment and drones of "I told you so Mel" began dribbling down the grapevine denoting to my own ignorance and naive stupidity, so I'm probably even more pissed off than someone who still supports them.

It's official, I'll never vote Labor again so long as I bloody well live... lesson learned, the hard way.

Yourself?



Or like many, are you inherently arrogant and naive and cant sniff past your own self importance and judgement enough to admit, we made a mistake, presuming you even voted at all.

What's worse, Howard predicted this wayward far-left scenario should Labor win the election in 2007.

So.... cut me a little slack, I'm still struggling to swallow my pride.

At least Howard was sincere and genuine, can the same be said for both the real, and not so real Gillard who stood up and toppled the nut-case we voted for and stabbed in the middle of his tenure?

My god, who-ever would have thought Golden Boy Rudd wouldn't even last a term?

What a dud.

He was never meant to be, was merely the Howard you have when you're not really having a Howard, he even falsely played the conservative part whilst syphoning off Liberals surplus to communist nations under the guise of socialist globalist reform and foreign aid.

But don't take my word for it, just wait for the aftermath when you realise, we cant even recover from our own natural disasters without imposing a tax, (as we veil massive donations from Obama and the royal family)....in the name of a UN globalist commy expired old-world order.

Socialism, small 'c' communism is the new black.

Wake up, we have been screwed over and now are being dictated to by the UN, our new global government rendering independent prosperity a challenge, not a given, as they would like our minerals too.

We shan't get too big for out boots you see, were forever intended to be a UN suppository and dumping ground ... the eternal dependent and underling, not the thriving robust world super-power we could be if we played our cards right and demanded autonomy.

Right now, we do as they say, not as they do.

Meanwhile, elitists , corporations and charitable orgs CEO's ( Rudd claimed he would cap their wages pre- his 2007 election win)...pockets jingle all the way to the reserve bank at the middle and lower class's expense.

So much for globalism, eh?

And or the fair and even distribution of wealth.

It's a crock of shit, we should have known better, but were so bored with Howard, most of us just wanted a change.

So what your saying; it was ok for Howard to travel to China and talk trade with his suck up ways (about 30 trips) but was no good when Rudd did it although he was able to speak the lino and understand what they were saying.
and you are also saying it was not Rudd and his quick thinking that stopped Australia from sinking in the global recesion like most major countries did, and you are refusing to accept that International finacial experts looked to Australia for advice on how to get back on top.
You refuse to admit that wages went down whilst Howard and Costello were in Gov't, Australian workers sort for a pay increase, if memory serves correct, 2.5%, Costello said No, that Australians are far better off today than they have ever been, then gave themselves a 10% payrise and an increase in the super fund upto 17%. As I have said before, I look at both sides, had Abbott presented a policy he might have got in but he did not, why did the Howard gov't loose? they chose not to fight because they knew the recesion was around the corner and had no plans for it and so got out of the game, Rudd kept Australia on top, we did not collapse as other did.

[Jovial Monk]

Absolutely! We would be on 10% unemployment, $1Trn deficit, one or more banks fallen over if Tip had been Treasurer 2007-10! Worked it out somewhere here, using statements from Tip, Rodent and the Howardista dregs left in Parliament (e.g. Turnbull saying guarantee on deposits only needing to be to $20K, Tip’s penchant for tax cuts to the rich, Howard’s relentless pork barreling. And no new school buildings, no NBN being built etc etc.

[IQS.RLOW]

The only thing Rudd did was spend the piggy bank left by the conservatives. The reason why Australia was better off than most other countries is because we had over a decade of fiscal conservative rule

The last decade of labor rule left us with a $96Bn debt that not only did the conservatives pay off, they left another $20+Bn that Rudd managed to blow as soon as he could get his grubby fucking hands on it while simultaneously introducing fucked up policies to waste even more money like fuel botch, grocery botch, insulation botch, whale botch

You would struggle to find one policy that these fuckwits have managed not to fuck up

[Viking King.]

The only thing Rudd did was spend the piggy bank left by the conservatives. The reason why Australia was better off than most other countries is because we had over a decade of fiscal conservative rule

The last decade of labor rule left us with a $96Bn debt that not only did the conservatives pay off, they left another $20+Bn that Rudd managed to blow as soon as he could get his grubby fucking hands on it while simultaneously introducing fucked up policies to waste even more money like fuel botch, grocery botch, insulation botch, whale botch

You would struggle to find one policy that these fuckwits have managed not to fuck up

WOW, an adult comment, at last, congrats to you.
The only reason there was 20bils in the kitty is because they spent it on nothing, took it from the health fund, didn't give to schools, didn't give to medicine, didn't give to infrastructure, so on and so forthe, but the moment Rudd was in and said he would use it to fix up the telecommunications, out come the gloves and the slapping began, they called it the "Futures fund" ok, it's for the future, thing is, if it is not corrected now then it will have no future, places like Burma are way ahead with internet/broadband/telecommunications, we are so far behind it ain't funny, I don't use land line anymore, it's crap, I use satellite, had it for about 2 yrs, not one complaint to be made, whereas Telstra, you got a problem, first connection you get is in Malasia, they no speak talk english, you no speak talk malasia, the lot I am with is Australian with an Australian support office and Australian operaters you can understand.
School funding for new hall or toilet block, hey, any contractor that sees money coming from the council or gov't will always triple the quote, does the finance dept really look into the quotes? No of course not, they pay to get the job done, both side do it, I gave mention before that I have spent time on both side of the gov't and as an ind, I got sick of it and got out.

[IQS.RLOW]

How can someone write so many words but still manage to make no sense?

You are a spambot, aren't you. You just sell bullshit and not penis enlargement

[Jovial Monk]

You think that was an adult comment? Just run of the mill Lib fanboi shit.

Waste? Pacific Solution—$1Bn to fiddle the figures, no actual reduuction in refugee flows. then the Abrams tanks—can’t be used here, hardly. Are only good for main tank battles which if one developed our couple dozen tanks would be wiped out before the battle really started.

This is true waste on a gigantic scale.

[mellie]

How can someone write so many words but still manage to make no sense?

You are a spambot, aren't you. You just sell bullshit and not penis enlargement

In between hosting naughty adult sex-toy party's for bored saggy middle-aged housewives (Lisa hosts these partys I am told)...and their sex-starved husbands.



Bit like Tupperware, only you have to keep replacing the batteries.


Go nuclear, and you'll never have to replace those batteries again ...

[Outlaw Yogi]

What They're Covering Up at Fukushima
http://www.counterpunch.org/takashi03222011.html

Hirose Takashi has written a whole shelf full of books, mostly on the nuclear power industry and the military-industrial complex. Probably his best known book is Nuclear Power Plants for Tokyo in which he took the logic of the nuke promoters to its logical conclusion: if you are so sure that they're safe, why not build them in the center of the city, instead of hundreds of miles away where you lose half the electricity in the wires?

Hirose Takashi: The Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant Accident and the State of the Media
Broadcast by Asahi NewStar, 17 March, 20:00
Interviewers: Yoh Sen'ei and Maeda Mari

Hirose: For example, yesterday. Around Fukushima Daiichi Station they measured 400 millisieverts – that’s per hour. With this measurement (Chief Cabinet Secretary) Edano admitted for the first time that there was a danger to health, but he didn’t explain what this means. All of the information media are at fault here I think. They are saying stupid things like, why, we are exposed to radiation all the time in our daily life, we get radiation from outer space. But that’s one millisievert per year. A year has 365 days, a day has 24 hours; multiply 365 by 24, you get 8760. Multiply the 400 millisieverts by that, you get 3,500,000 the normal dose. You call that safe? And what media have reported this? None. They compare it to a CT scan, which is over in an instant; that has nothing to do with it. The reason radioactivity can be measured is that radioactive material is escaping. What is dangerous is when that material enters your body and irradiates it from inside. These industry-mouthpiece scholars come on TV and what to they say? They say as you move away the radiation is reduced in inverse ratio to the square of the distance. I want to say the reverse. Internal irradiation happens when radioactive material is ingested into the body. What happens? Say there is a nuclear particle one meter away from you. You breathe it in, it sticks inside your body; the distance between you and it is now at the micron level. One meter is 1000 millimeters, one micron is one thousandth of a millimeter. That’s a thousand times a thousand: a thousand squared. That’s the real meaning of “inverse ratio of the square of the distance.” Radiation exposure is increased by a factor of a trillion. Inhaling even the tiniest particle, that’s the danger.

Hirose: I was told by a newspaper reporter that now Tepco is not in shape even to do regular monitoring. They just take an occasional measurement, and that becomes the basis of Edano’s statements. You have to take constant measurements, but they are not able to do that. And you need to investigate just what is escaping, and how much. That requires very sophisticated measuring instruments. You can’t do it just by keeping a monitoring post. It’s no good just to measure the level of radiation in the air. Whiz in by car, take a measurement, it’s high, it’s low – that’s not the point. We need to know what kind of radioactive materials are escaping, and where they are going – they don’t have a system in place for doing that now.

[mellie]

What They're Covering Up at Fukushima
http://www.counterpunch.org/takashi03222011.html

Hirose Takashi has written a whole shelf full of books, mostly on the nuclear power industry and the military-industrial complex. Probably his best known book is Nuclear Power Plants for Tokyo in which he took the logic of the nuke promoters to its logical conclusion: if you are so sure that they're safe, why not build them in the center of the city, instead of hundreds of miles away where you lose half the electricity in the wires?

Hirose Takashi: The Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant Accident and the State of the Media
Broadcast by Asahi NewStar, 17 March, 20:00
Interviewers: Yoh Sen'ei and Maeda Mari

Hirose: For example, yesterday. Around Fukushima Daiichi Station they measured 400 millisieverts – that’s per hour. With this measurement (Chief Cabinet Secretary) Edano admitted for the first time that there was a danger to health, but he didn’t explain what this means. All of the information media are at fault here I think. They are saying stupid things like, why, we are exposed to radiation all the time in our daily life, we get radiation from outer space. But that’s one millisievert per year. A year has 365 days, a day has 24 hours; multiply 365 by 24, you get 8760. Multiply the 400 millisieverts by that, you get 3,500,000 the normal dose. You call that safe? And what media have reported this? None. They compare it to a CT scan, which is over in an instant; that has nothing to do with it. The reason radioactivity can be measured is that radioactive material is escaping. What is dangerous is when that material enters your body and irradiates it from inside. These industry-mouthpiece scholars come on TV and what to they say? They say as you move away the radiation is reduced in inverse ratio to the square of the distance. I want to say the reverse. Internal irradiation happens when radioactive material is ingested into the body. What happens? Say there is a nuclear particle one meter away from you. You breathe it in, it sticks inside your body; the distance between you and it is now at the micron level. One meter is 1000 millimeters, one micron is one thousandth of a millimeter. That’s a thousand times a thousand: a thousand squared. That’s the real meaning of “inverse ratio of the square of the distance.” Radiation exposure is increased by a factor of a trillion. Inhaling even the tiniest particle, that’s the danger.

Hirose: I was told by a newspaper reporter that now Tepco is not in shape even to do regular monitoring. They just take an occasional measurement, and that becomes the basis of Edano’s statements. You have to take constant measurements, but they are not able to do that. And you need to investigate just what is escaping, and how much. That requires very sophisticated measuring instruments. You can’t do it just by keeping a monitoring post. It’s no good just to measure the level of radiation in the air. Whiz in by car, take a measurement, it’s high, it’s low – that’s not the point. We need to know what kind of radioactive materials are escaping, and where they are going – they don’t have a system in place for doing that now.

There's much being covered up, and not only by Japan, by our own government and media also....when apparently, telling it like it is is too politically incorrect.

Japan was warned more than two years ago by the international nuclear watchdog that its nuclear power plants were not capable of withstanding powerful earthquakes, leaked diplomatic cables reveal.

http://www.ironmill.com/2011/03/16/wiki ... erability/

Also, the aftermath is being smoothed over also... re- true radiation levels.