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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by mellie » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:56 am

mellie wrote:If Malcolm Turnbull in the middle were still leading the Liberal party, we would be finished, he'd happily promote either the ETS or Co2 tax, being the unpatriotic opportunistic elitist big 'C' capitalist pro-republic entrepreneur turncoat that he is, given he stood to advantage personally himself investment portfolio wise.

Now is Australia's chance to preserve it's identity and autonomy, in the global scheme of things, and whilst it's good to have friends, we don't need to share our beds with them, and if we don't make a stand now we will forever be that hickville little dumping ground the EU can depend on to bail them out with our nations resources.

Do you want our nation to be respected or not?

Respect isn't earned by following others to their financial graves.
Skippy, I repeat, do you want us to be respected or not?

If some sort of 'environmental' tax should be imposed in the future, it should be more inclusive of all environmental & atmospheric pollutants and contaminants, this and be proposed in order to do exactly what it's meant to do.

Where's Gillards environmental & Carbon-tax policy?

Have you seen it?

No, and you wont either, not until after you've signed on the dotted lie....how many times will you let Joolyu foolyu?
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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by skippy. » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:03 am

Mel, one question

Do you believe in man induced climate change?, just yes or no will do.

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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by mellie » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:27 am

skippy. wrote:Mel, one question

Do you believe in man induced climate change?, just yes or no will do.
I neither believe, or disbelieve, though would like there to be a more credible 'independent' scientific consensus, given it's apparent there isn't one.

However, if I were to bet at this stage, I'd say NO!

At this stage, I believe "Climate Change" is inevitable and cyclic, as it's always been.

I think Bob Brown believes the Sky is falling, Man-Bear Change, though I sincerely doubt Gillard the fascist barren earth-mother believes it herself, rather is more interested in the Tax side of it, and most importantly, how it will look on her wiki page.

Poor old Gillard, always the deputy and never the bride.

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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by IQS.RLOW » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:33 am

skippy. wrote:In other words the rightards refuse to entertain action on climate change until the USA and China take official action.
If the whole world takes that position, we are FUCKED. Confusionalists are greedy little turds who care more about their hip pocket than their children's future.
The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Quick, please tax me. Waaaaahhhhhhhhhh!
:roll:

You fucking moron
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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by skippy. » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:42 am

IQS.RLOW wrote:
skippy. wrote:In other words the rightards refuse to entertain action on climate change until the USA and China take official action.
If the whole world takes that position, we are FUCKED. Confusionalists are greedy little turds who care more about their hip pocket than their children's future.
The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Quick, please tax me. Waaaaahhhhhhhhhh!
:roll:

You fucking moron
Oh look,right on cue

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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by Sappho » Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:17 pm

skippy. wrote:Mel, one question

Do you believe in man induced climate change?, just yes or no will do.
Even common sense would dictate that man has an influence on climate. How could that not be obvious?
What is in contention is the level of influence... what is in contention is the significance of non human climate change which is never discussed... what is in contention are the triggers and whether they are all known (we have only recently come to understand some of the oceanic triggers... but do we have them all?)... what is in contention is the modelling of the climate future that does not account for the changes in human ingenuity such as our slow shift to greener energies as they come on board, or the wars that will impact... or future volcanic eruptions etc.

Like economics, you cannot model the future with any level of accuracy... models are guides only and not fact. But listening to the climateers, you wouldn't know that.

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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:19 pm

IQS.RLOW wrote:
Viking King. wrote:Can't blame Australian gov't for this tax or levy as they call it, it is being done in many other countries.
Levy...LOL. You delusional fuckwit
It's a tax and yes we can blame THIS govt for it and it is not being done in many other countries.
Must live on another planet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax

South Africa
A tax on emissions is in the works for South Africa. Announced by Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan, the tax will be implemented starting September 1, 2010 on new motor vehicles
India
On July 1, 2010 India introduced a nation wide carbon tax of 50 rupees per metric tonne ($1.07/mt) of coal both produced and imported into India.[38] In India coal is used to power more than half of the country’s electricity generation
South Korea
On August 22, 2008 The Chong Wa Dae, also known as the Blue house – the executive office and official residence of the South Korean head of state, confirmed a list of 40 new administrative strategy agenda, which included substitution of a carbon tax with the current transportation tax.
Australia
On February 24, 2011, Australian Federal government announced a framework to implement a Carbon Tax from July 1 2012.
New Zealand
In 2008, the New Zealand Emissions Trading Scheme was passed into law.
Denmark
As of the year 2002, the standard carbon tax rate since 1996 amounts to 100 DKK per metric ton of CO2, equivalent to approximately 13 Euros or 18 US dollars . Net carbon emission tax from fuel combustion can vary depending on the level of pollution each source emits, the tax rate varies between 402 DKK per metric ton of oil to 5.6 DKK per metric ton of natural gas and 0 for non-combustible renewables.
Finland
Finland was the first country in the 1990s to introduce a CO2 tax, initially with few exemptions for specific fuels or sectors.
Republic of Ireland
In the 2010 budget the country's first carbon tax was introduced.[82] The new tax was levied at €15 per tonne of CO2 emissions[83] (approx. US$20 per tonne)
Netherlands
The Netherlands initiated a carbon tax in 1990. However, in 1992 it was replaced with a 50/50 carbon/energy tax called the Environmental Tax on Fuels, the taxes are assessed partly on carbon content and partly on energy content. The charge was transformed into a tax and became part of general tax revenues.
Sweden
On January 1, 1991, Sweden enacted a CO2 tax, placing a tax of 0.25 SEK/kg ($100 or EUR 72 per ton) on the use of oil, coal, natural gas, liquefied petroleum gas, petrol, and aviation fuel used in domestic travel. Industrial users paid half the rate (between 1993 and 1997, 25% of the rate), and certain high-energy industries such as commercial horticulture, mining, manufacturing and the pulp and paper industry were fully exempted from these new taxes.
United Kingdom
In 1993, the UK government introduced the fuel duty escalator (FDE), an environmental tax on retail petroleum products. The tax was explicitly designed to reduce carbon dioxide emissions in the transport sector. Since carbon is in fixed ratio to the quantity of fuel, the FDE roughly approximated a carbon tax. The transport lobby in the UK was extremely critical of the FDE. The FDE, which was the UK's only "real" carbon tax, failed because of the political criticism it provoked, and the automatic increase of the FDE was cancelled in 1999.[67] Increases in fuel tax have since been discretionary.
Norway
Norway introduced a CO2 tax on fossil fuels in 1991.[103] The tax started at a high rate of US$51 per metric ton of CO2 on gasoline, with an average tax of US$21 per metric ton[104] The tax was also applied to diesel, mineral oil, oil and gas used in North Sea extraction activities.[105] The International Energy Agency's (IEA) 2001 Review of Norway in the Energy Policies of IEA Countries stated that "since 1991 a carbon dioxide tax has applied in addition to excise taxes on fuel." It is among the highest carbon taxes in the OECD. Carbon taxation is also applied to the production of oil and gas offshore. The IEA estimates for revenue generated by the CO2 tax in 2004 were 7,808 million NOK [106] (about US$1.3 billion in 2010 dollars).
Switzerland
In January 2008, Switzerland implemented a CO2 incentive tax on all fossil fuels, such as coal, oil and natural gas, unless they are used for energy. Gasoline and diesel fuels are not affected by the CO2 tax. The tax is collected by the Swiss Federal Customs Administration. It is an incentive tax because it is designed to promote the economic use of fossil fuels
Costa Rica
In 1997 Costa Rica imposed a 3.5 percent carbon tax on fossil fuels.[121] A portion of the funds generated by the tax go to "Payment for Environmental Services" (PSA) program which gives incentives to property owners to practice sustainable development and forest conservation
Canada
Although there is no federal carbon tax, some Canadian provinces do have carbon taxes:
Quebec
British Columbia
Alberta
United States
Colorado
California
Maryland
James E. Hansen has argued in his book (Storms of My Grandchildren) and in an open letter to President Obama, that policies to cap carbon emissions and trade permits for them (see cap and trade) will only make money for banks and hedge funds and allow 'business-as-usual' for the chief carbon-emitting industries.[151][161] He advocates phasing out and protesting against coal-fired power stations that do not have onsite carbon sequestration and imposing a progressive carbon tax.
Gary Becker, a conservative economist, expressed his support for carbon taxes over cap-and-trade.[163] Becker won the Nobel Prize in economics in 1992.
On December 11, 2008, Rex Tillerson, the CEO of Exxonmobil, said a carbon tax is "a more direct, more transparent and more effective approach" than a cap and trade program, which he said, "inevitably introduces unnecessary cost and complexity." He also said that he hoped that the revenues from a carbon tax would be used to lower other taxes so as to be revenue neutral.
The American Enterprise Institute, Environmental economist Jack Pezzey,[165] economist Jeffrey Sachs (director of the Earth Institute of Columbia University),[166] Yale economist William Nordhaus,[167] The Earth Policy Institute, The Australia Institute, the Centre for Independent Studies, and Harvard professor, Gregory Mankiw also prefer carbon taxes to cap-and-trade

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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by IQS.RLOW » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:28 pm

Must live on another planet.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
IQS.RLOW wrote:That's not many countries. That's a few minor countries
Even these minor countries that have introduced a tax, it is at much lower levels than what Dullard and her bunch of c.unts are talking about.

You will also note that hardly any of them have reduced their emissions- so what the fuck is the point?

I still can't believe the left actually are begging to be taxed more FFS :roll: I seriously believe it's time for a culling in this country...starting in fucking QLD and NSW. Those places are full of fucktards
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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by mellie » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:55 pm

Because carbon isn't the only thing harming our planet... ... pity the Greens went from hugging trees to refugees this and stroking corporate dick to take over the world.

Global Green Inc :mrgreen:

Sit down Mr Bob Brown, far time you took your visions of grandeur to a clinic.

The Greens will never live this down!

They took a chance, now even their loyal own are sickened by their selective corporate stroking hypocrisy.

Greens claimed to be against uranium mining, my how things change, now with BHP being given operational expansion rights down in Olympic Dam in exchange for their promotion of a Carbon-tax.

Sadly, not all industries will be compensated this generously, hence 75% of our country are opposing it.

Why not a more broad-spectrum Environmental tax?

8-) Anyway, this was supposed to be Bob Browns legacy, something he could retire knowing he achieved....a trophy cabinet Tax!

Pity, because he wont.
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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by Viking King. » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:56 pm

skippy. wrote:Mel, one question

Do you believe in man induced climate change?, just yes or no will do.
Climate change, yes, of course we the human race have cause damage, but is anyone thinking that there is also a natural process going on?
If there is anyone here that has a bit of a scientific mind or even watch doco's on this subject, you will recall that with the ice core drill samples we are moving into another iceage period, it's as clear as the smurk on low IQ's face,
no, none of us want more taxing because with this "Carbon tax" they are actually taxing the air we breath, no two ways about it, the only way to stop smog in the atmosphere is to make everything with robotics as they do in Japan.

A moment of silence for Japan if you will after the major earthquake and severe tsunami that has hit.

there is no way we can effectivly control carbon, and the hole in the atmosphere, it has always been there over the south pole.

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