Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by Sappho » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:21 am

mantra wrote:Yes - the conditions are fantastic in the public service. I chose the private sector over the public when I left school and stuck to it. Although it has been a sacrifice in terms of conditions, wages and especially superannuation - it is the freedom of private industry to be able to use your own initiative and be your own person. If you got bored, you could move onto something more challenging.

It's a sacrifice that you have to weigh up - being bored to the point of mind numbing apathy in the public service but being rewarded generously - or being free to follow your ideology and utilise your skills in the private sector without the comfort of a cash filled mattress to fall on when you retire.
I really don't know what you mean? I've never been bored at work... I've never been stuck in one job for too long... tend to change positions and departments every three years or so... the training is prolific... and initiative is encouraged. We have think tanks, pilot projects run in conjunction with community services, inreach, outreach, 'event' days like todays international womans day, or NAIDOC, or harmony day etc, focus groups, systems trials... the list is long.

Just one example... when I was training the Personal Advisors way back in the day... (2002?) I was training them for the south east vic region, but that didn't stop the training co-ordinator arranging our mid cycle training review in Queensland for 2 weeks with excellent accomodation and lots of free time to 'bond' with our interstate collegues... whilst our trainees went back to their offices for outreach activities during that 2weeks before returning for another 6 weeks training.

When disaster strikes... it is not just local staff that respond, indeed they are often affected also... staff from around the state and country converge on that disaster zone to provide relief and counselling... you get to see the distasters, the impact, the human spirit mantra. The NT Aboriginal intervention has seen a great many staff from around the country converge on the NT to do 6 mth rotations. The island centrelink services also work on a 6mth rotation.

And then there is the National Office which can see you working around the country... Adelaide one day, Sydney the next before popping into head office at Canberra then going back to your base camp.

I have had an absolutely brilliant time at Centrelink, most of the time, and look forward to more when i return.

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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by Sappho » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:25 am

Pastafarian wrote: Can I ask several questions here.

1. Which countries have introduced a carbon tax?
2. Which of these is failing badly?
3. What is your criteria for failing badly?
4. If they have introduced a carbon tax and they are failing badly, has it been shown that the reason why they are failing badly is because of the introduction of the carbon tax.
I don't know of any country that has introduced a carbon tax. I could be wrong but i think we would be the first.

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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by Pastafarian » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:30 am

Sappho wrote:
Pastafarian wrote: Can I ask several questions here.

1. Which countries have introduced a carbon tax?
2. Which of these is failing badly?
3. What is your criteria for failing badly?
4. If they have introduced a carbon tax and they are failing badly, has it been shown that the reason why they are failing badly is because of the introduction of the carbon tax.
I don't know of any country that has introduced a carbon tax. I could be wrong but i think we would be the first.


I've already checked the first one to see if IQS had bothered.

Norway has had one since 1991
The UK has had one on fuel since 93
Sweden has had one since 1991
Netherlands since 1990
Finland since the 1990s
Denmark since 96


Some other EU nations have introduced them recently.
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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by IQS.RLOW » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:36 am

Pastafarian wrote:
IQS.RLOW wrote:Very few have introduced carbon taxes and all of them are failing, badly.

The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. It's why you will always vote left, because you are fucking stupid


Can I ask several questions here.

1. Which countries have introduced a carbon tax?
2. Which of these is failing badly?
3. What is your criteria for failing badly?
4. If they have introduced a carbon tax and they are failing badly, has it been shown that the reason why they are failing badly is because of the introduction of the carbon tax.
1. Do your own research
2. All of them
3. Not reducing carbon emissions. Rotting as with any Leftwing scam
4. Duh

1. Do your own research
2. All of them
3. Failure to reduce carbon emissions
4. Duh
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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by Pastafarian » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:37 am

IQS.RLOW wrote:
Pastafarian wrote:
IQS.RLOW wrote:Very few have introduced carbon taxes and all of them are failing, badly.

The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. It's why you will always vote left, because you are fucking stupid


Can I ask several questions here.

1. Which countries have introduced a carbon tax?
2. Which of these is failing badly?
3. What is your criteria for failing badly?
4. If they have introduced a carbon tax and they are failing badly, has it been shown that the reason why they are failing badly is because of the introduction of the carbon tax.
1. Do your own research
2. All of them
3. Not reducing carbon emissions. Rotting as with any Leftwing scam
4. Duh

1. Do your own research
2. All of them
3. Failure to reduce carbon emissions
4. Duh


So because you've answered my questions twice, answered my questions twice, how then would Sir Genius reduce carbon emissions, reduce carbon emissions?
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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by mellie » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:38 am

Any nation who plans to introduce a Carbon Tax seemingly pulls out just before .... France and the US are but two examples, and there's a good reason why they have.

It's unconstitutional, you cant rationalise imposing a tax of this magnitude that's going to adversely impact on the lives of so many , even in the name of "Saving the planet"... see, this is where the Greens are over the top, lack common sense, and this is where our more moderate parts are supposed to step in only this time, one of them cant at the risk of loosing it's precious preferences.

"A deal is a deal"- Bob Brown.

He's a little Like Keating was to Bob Hawke, has effectively given Gillard, Labor the Kiss off death, though I don't think she ever planned to be there for a long time, just a good time, so don't think she particularly cares.
She will expand her personal investment portfolio and retire on a nice parliamentary PM pension...Bob Brown got his seats in the senate, so mission accomplished, even if it was at the expense of our nation.
No wonder Bob Hawke hates her, i'll bet he see's the same opportunism in her that he saw in Keating, hence is desperately hoping Labor will change their leadership some time soon.
Woman are fickle, she's probably bored with being Australia's first vagina now anyway, sigh~

Gillard knew the moment she made the carbon 4 preferences deal with the Greens before the 2010 election , that this would be Labors last term, she's just come in for a suckle, at the expense of the tax-payer, is just out for what she can get when we all know she should not have won the election to begin with, and if she hadn't, we wouldn't be in this mess.

She's a destabilising force in the Labor party, is the princess of darkness.

Just like Keating un-patriotically mocked Australia, calling us the "asshole of the world", Gillard makes apologies to other nations leaders when addressing their parliament for her "dreadful Australian accent",... think about it.
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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by Sappho » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:38 am

IQS.RLOW wrote:
1. Do your own research
2. All of them
3. Not reducing carbon emissions. Rotting as with any Leftwing scam
4. Duh

1. Do your own research
2. All of them
3. Failure to reduce carbon emissions
4. Duh
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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by mantra » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:38 am

New Zealand has a cap on carbon or a carbon tax - but there is scant information about it.
New Zealand spot carbon price flat, tracks global market

Published: 11 Feb 2011 10:06

CET New Zealand carbon prices were little changed over the previous week as the market eyed the issue of new units, with the global price of carbon setting the direction for the market.

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Re: Labor falls to historic lows: Newspoll

Post by Pastafarian » Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:43 am

Just googling it now, but does anyone know how much of the carbon tax is planned to be spent on research into methods of reducing carbon emissions?
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