The year in polls

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Jovial Monk

Re: The year in polls

Post by Jovial Monk » Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:42 am

"You are told" yeah, right.

bet you are told frequently!


:D

cynik

Re: The year in polls

Post by cynik » Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:48 am

Why wouldn't I be told? I don't speak chinese, but there are chinese people (actually vietnamese in this case) who tell me what they have heard.

You are weird.
Last edited by cynik on Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:25 am, edited 1 time in total.

Jovial Monk

Re: The year in polls

Post by Jovial Monk » Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:00 pm

So what you are told is third hand information?

cynik

Re: The year in polls

Post by cynik » Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:25 am

Possibly fourth of fifth hand information, possibly made up by aliens. Absolutely. Hence, I do not claim it as my own knowledge.

I merely spread it around because I do not like Rudd or the ALP. 8-)

mantra.

Re: The year in polls

Post by mantra. » Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:35 am

The difference between Rudd and Howard is that Howard was hated and Rudd is only disliked. When Rudd first came to power, I suspected he might have had communist leanings, but this may have only been because of his relationship with the Chinese and he looks half Chinese. It was mentioned by Turnbull that China were our allies. Rudd immediately became very defensive and publicly declared that the Chinese were not our allies, but our friends. It might have only been a technicality and Rudd is pedantic, but it did appear a little suspicious at the time.

cynik

Re: The year in polls

Post by cynik » Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:28 am

Give him a chance. With time, he may reach his destination.

Jovial Monk

Re: The year in polls

Post by Jovial Monk » Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:38 pm

Rudd, communist? oh dear. Don't think so!

mantra.

Re: The year in polls

Post by mantra. » Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:42 am

Rudd, communist? oh dear. Don't think so!
Nothing is impossible. Look at Howard - his final ambition was to become a neocon, and he almost succeeded. I don't dislike Rudd, but there is something not quite right about him, although it's difficult to pinpoint anything in particular. At least he appears to be moving with caution and that's in his favour and he also appears to be for the people and of course it is handy that he can communicate with the Chinese. This is probably essential as they are demanding a few chunks of our country, but how much remains to be seen.

cynik

Re: The year in polls

Post by cynik » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:12 am

The chinese can go fuck themselves, should be Australian foreign policy.

Seriously, the chinese are on a massive ego trip that is going to end in tears. They think they are some sort of superpower because they have managed to incorporate western technology into their society, but their social law and human rights record is woeful.

And that isn't a moral judgement, it is a statement of their capacity to project power.

What are the chinese going to do? Invade Australia? What with?

Fuck off with the big scary chinese theory. They are the fat man of the world, so bloated and weighed down by their own problems that they can't even lift themselves out of bed.

The fascination with china is WAY unhealthy, not least because they are such an unreliable trade partner. Like all socialist dictatorships posing as modern governments, their trade policy can quickly become political policy. Why get into bed with that?

Why not concentrate on developing Australia from the inside, and making sure that Australia is a self sustaining, wealthy, advanced society?

the fascination with foreign trade is absolutely sick, as it only really benefits the very, very few who spend the profits of their huge businesses. Ordinary Australians should be concerned about creating a manufacturing sector, and making the housing sector viable, and making the farming sector geared towards local growth of local communities.

Australia looks at the world on the evening news because that is what concerns the people who currently own and sell australia to the highest bidder. It is false, and it is pathetic. Australia should be building australia from the inside out, not from the outside in.

Look at the terrible fucking mess china is in because not enough attention was paid to the welfare of the ordinary people for so many hundreds of years. They are so overpopulated and poor that they cannot move. They are lying prostrate, waiting for ecological collapse in other parts of the world to create absolute disaster within their own society. India is the same.

mantra.

Re: The year in polls

Post by mantra. » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:23 am

Why not concentrate on developing Australia from the inside, and making sure that Australia is a self sustaining, wealthy, advanced society?

the fascination with foreign trade is absolutely sick, as it only really benefits the very, very few who spend the profits of their huge businesses. Ordinary Australians should be concerned about creating a manufacturing sector, and making the housing sector viable, and making the farming sector geared towards local growth of local communities.

Australia looks at the world on the evening news because that is what concerns the people who currently own and sell australia to the highest bidder. It is false, and it is pathetic. Australia should be building australia from the inside out, not from the outside in.

Look at the terrible fucking mess china is in because not enough attention was paid to the welfare of the ordinary people for so many hundreds of years. They are so overpopulated and poor that they cannot move. They are lying prostrate, waiting for ecological collapse in other parts of the world to create absolute disaster within their own society. India is the same.
I have said similar on many occasions. Howard exacerbated foreign trade and is responsible for the American FTA and was in the process of an agreement with China. Is Rudd going to sign an FTA with China, or is it already a done deal? Our shops are full of their junk, manufactured from our minerals and there's no sign of it lessening. Perhaps Keating opened the gates to this free market, but Howard ran with it. We are already in debt to the US for billions in relation to our FTA with them - they got the better deal obviously, but the same appears to be happening with China. Our mineral exports have declined, yet we are still their dumping ground for rubbish. We take the stuff, the US and other countries reject.

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