Does the world need to regulate whaling

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Re: Does the world need to regulate whaling

Post by freediver » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:26 pm

We have all but destroyed the traditional aboriginal way of life.

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Re: Does the world need to regulate whaling

Post by Super Nova » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:11 pm

freediver wrote:We have all but destroyed the traditional aboriginal way of life.
Sadly we set out to kill them all or breed them out of existence. It was policy from the moment we declare "terra nulius". this land had no people, the aboriginals were not humans of equal standing so they were afforded the privileges of an animal.

Those who are alive today are lucky their ancestors were hard to find.

No problem exist for Tassy now. there are no pure bloods left.

I don't think we can hold onto traditional ways of life as it is corrupted the moment the wast comes in contact with them. They will never be the same so why pretend things can be.
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Re: Does the world need to regulate whaling

Post by freediver » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:21 pm

The traditional way of life for Aborigines included infanticide.

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Re: Does the world need to regulate whaling

Post by mantra » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:23 pm

freediver wrote:
It's easy to get the impression that whales are only big fish to some - not intelligent creatures who give birth to live babies and suckle.
You mean they are more like bacon than sashimi?
From a sterile view - it's a possible analogy if that's how you view "breeders".
and done for no real purpose
What about food?
If the whales are needed for food - fine, but the Japanese don't need them. Even their government has cut short the cull. If the whalemeat was so essential to the wellbeing of the Japanese - their government wouldn't have given up so quickly and perhaps the Sea Shepherd wouldn't have persisted for such a prolonged period.
freediver wrote:We have all but destroyed the traditional aboriginal way of life.
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There are too many people and not enough animals.

The aborigines want a foot in both worlds, but it's no longer possible to hunt the way they used to, although they still have permission to hunt protected species - the dugong and the green sea turtle. They also have special permission to use any hunting instrument they choose - not much consolation, but better than the rest of the hunters are legally allowed to use.

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Re: Does the world need to regulate whaling

Post by Super Nova » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:40 pm

They also have special permission to use any hunting instrument they choose - not much consolation, but better than the rest of the hunters are legally allowed to use.
Are they allowed to use modern intruments of death like guns and gill nets?
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Re: Does the world need to regulate whaling

Post by mantra » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:26 am

Gill nets are used by the aborigines, although I think they were supposed to be banned to catch dugongs, but that restriction has been ignored because it goes against traditional law which appears to overturn almost any existing national law. Guns are used for most of the hunting - bows, dogs, spears, pots, set lines, traps - whatever they choose.

If any problems arise in regard to conservation - this has to be discussed first with the aboriginal people and approval received before any hunting is restricted. Generally there is little prohibition in regard to traditional hunting.

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Re: Does the world need to regulate whaling

Post by Super Nova » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:37 am

The yhave the rights for traditional hunting but are using modern tools and weapons to hunt. This is wrong. They have it both ways.

Modern gill nets were not used by aborigines and they should not be allowed to use them.

They should put down the beer and cheep plonk and make there weapons and got out for days to hunt. The tradition way.

Riding on the back of a 4 wheel drive leaning out the window using a shotgun to kill animals running at speeds that could not normal chatch is just bollocks. Once they met western man, they can not have a traditional life going forward. They should not even be allowed to use iron axes if they want to go back to the way it was. No medial treatment.

I point the bone at them all.
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Re: Does the world need to regulate whaling

Post by AiA in Atlanta » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:08 am

freediver wrote:The traditional way of life for Aborigines included infanticide.
The ancient Romans practiced infanticide as well.

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Re: Does the world need to regulate whaling

Post by AiA in Atlanta » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:12 am

Outlaw Yogi wrote:
AiA in Atlanta wrote:
Outlaw Yogi wrote:feral pig population
is that swine tasty?
Can be, but then pig flesh is my favourite.
Unless you get a sucker/young one, like most wild animals they can be a bit tough, which is why I stew almost everything wild I take/get, including ducks.
The main problem to look for with feral pigs, and is the same with roos and wallabies, is muscle worm.
They're whiteish or off white, slightly flat, very elasticy creatures upto about 3ft long.

Most people won't touch wormy meat or even feed it to their dogs, which is fair enough when raw.
I've eaten and shared with a G/Shepherd X B/Heeler dog wormy meat that was very well done and neither of us became infected. But since then I've learnt by accident that if you submerge the flesh in water the worms start coming out by themselves within minutes and can be grasped with long nose pliers or tweezers allowing them to be pulled all the way out.
That's how I know they can be 3 ft long. I was putting slabs/chunks/cuts of meat into buckets of water to keep flies off it.

Most Ozzie pig hunters tend to be into the adventure/danger/excitement aspect rather than free food, but in some places (likw northern NSW) pigs are hunted and sold for dog food.
Hadn't considered worms and your description both fascinates and disgusts me. Have had wild pig/boar in Japan but not in AUS or the USA. In Japan it was in a stew of some sort and was quite tasty. Here in the States I eat deer occasionally but find it very dry and have to add fat/oil. Buffalo/bison here is excellent! :)

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Re: Does the world need to regulate whaling

Post by mantra » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:09 am

Most people won't touch wormy meat or even feed it to their dogs, which is fair enough when raw.
Why do so many people eat their meat so raw? Even regulated meat would have to contain some existing parasites and those who love rarely cooked meat would be full of them.

I think we should be using boar meat for something useful here - and if it's cooked it would be fine for domestic dogs. At present hunters just leave the carcasses to rot in the bush obviously feeding a multitude of larvae. What a waste.

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