Atheism leads to Futility.

[Jovial Monk]

WTF?

Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle has no relation to axiomatic geometry!

People can rise above their circumstances and even change their circumstances! If I had kids I would want them educated by Celly not Sappho!

[Sappho]

WTF?

Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle has no relation to axiomatic geometry!

Nor is anyone suggesting this except you! I guess that makes you the strawman... 'if you only had a brain' da dumb da de da dumb.

People can rise above their circumstances and even change their circumstances! If I had kids I would want them educated by Celly not Sappho!

In this thread, Ethnic has proven herself to be an terrible example of what makes a modern teacher in our public schools. She does science yeah? Yet she preferred to attack the person instead of the debate. And the debate was right up her alley... causality no less. But when challenged, she chickened out. Can't be much of a science teacher then. All that arrogance and attitude should have seen her address the causality element of debate... if she knew her stuff.

As for you dumb boy... who cares what you think... hang on and I check your forum to see who cares to contribute.... tick tock tick tock... back again to report that only you care what you think... your forum is full of you talking to you and it's all very dull!

[Jovial Monk]

Quoting a pretentious twat:

At this point someone might bring into debate the uncertainty principle as evidence of possibility. But the uncertainty principle merely states that you cannot know position and velocity with any accuracy. You can only know one or the other. If you measure velocity you can only know the probability of its position. If you measure position, you can only know the probability of its velocity. . . . but could quite possibly say much about flaws within the axioms upon which maths is founded.

[Ethnic]

You bark real ugly bitch, but you got no bite.

Since you're an irrelevant, vulgar imbecile I don't feel the desire to debate with you unless you start acting like an adult.

[Ethnic]

The problem for atheists who would put their trust in science is that even the little things have no meaning because there was no free will. Existence is a causal happening only. We are puppets with causality pulling at the strings if you will. Even the search for meaning, although caused by previous causal relationships is futile because it denies the fundamental nature of the causal universe by seeking to add some element which does not exist.

We are slaves to our biology and neural psychology, both of which are meaningless. We do now, fatalistically what was always going to be because the causal lineage was established well before our existence and self awareness. That I write this now, was always going to be, because the causal links leading up to this writing, had made it so and not so any other eventuality.

At this point someone might bring into debate the uncertainty principle as evidence of possibility. But the uncertainty principle merely states that you cannot know position and velocity with any accuracy. You can only know one or the other. If you measure velocity you can only know the probability of its position. If you measure position, you can only know the probability of its velocity. This says nothing about cause and effect, but could quite possibly say much about flaws within the axioms upon which maths is founded.

This is such utter dribble. Seriously why waste your time on such nonsense? Grab a telescope and check out our beautiful solar system or go scuba diving and study our beautiful marine life. Go on, live a little. Appreciate what the Earth is offering you and not what some bored philosophy hack has written a little-read book about.

And if you ever criticise my teaching again I will hunt you down and rip your fucking neck out. Understand?

[IQS.RLOW]

[boxy]

What exactly is it about a god created universe, that makes it less prone to causality? Just because you had an imaginary jackass tell you that you have free will, means you have it?

Or does it just make you feel better about your already meaningless life?

[Sappho]

Quoting a pretentious twat:

At this point someone might bring into debate the uncertainty principle as evidence of possibility. But the uncertainty principle merely states that you cannot know position and velocity with any accuracy. You can only know one or the other. If you measure velocity you can only know the probability of its position. If you measure position, you can only know the probability of its velocity. . . . but could quite possibly say much about flaws within the axioms upon which maths is founded.

LOL... there is no mention of geometric axioms dumb boy. For your information, geometric axioms are not the only axioms in mathematics.

[Sappho]

This is such utter dribble. Seriously why waste your time on such nonsense? Grab a telescope and check out our beautiful solar system or go scuba diving and study our beautiful marine life. Go on, live a little. Appreciate what the Earth is offering you and not what some bored philosophy hack has written a little-read book about.

And if you ever criticise my teaching again I will hunt you down and rip your fucking neck out. Understand?

Yeah... you are right Ethnic... why waste my time sharing things I've given serious consideration and wish to revisit in the hope of new insight when there are people like you here or Phemanderac over at D&R who will shit on you for doing so.

No probs... got the message... it's just a game and let the game play on!

[Swami Dring]

I have seen the light Dring... I no longer believe that our universe was created or is influenced by a supernatural being. Indeed I do not believe in any thing that is beyond natural. But I am struggling with the consequences of this new belief and I am hoping that you have answers which are not in agreement with me.

First up, the universe is causal. There is no free will. All my actions are caused by previous actions right back to conception. That I think I have free will is an illusion 'caused' by self awareness.

Bollocks. Free will abounds and our species has never enjoyed more of it than right now.

Secondly, there is no meaning to the universe or anything in it.

Also bollocks. Dictionaries are full of meanings.

My existence... all existence is futile.

Bah. Glass-half-empty value judgement.

On this topic, give me an example of an existence which would not be futile. What would be necessary for that existence not to be futile?