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[Swami Dring]

Do you dick heads realise how absurd all of that is. You all use caveats, you admit you know jack shit, yet ye still waffle.

Wankers.

Dickhead is one word.

[Ned Kelly]

Do you pretend you have the answers, boxhead? None of ye do, and ye are all waxing lyrical......with crap. Swami, please explain to me why you need to stroke anyone's ego when it is so easy to just call it as I do...............pure esoteric useless wankery.

[AiA in Atlanta]

So you are willing to accept Wilber's statement regarding mystics and physicists when the mystic in question is J. Krishnamurti?

My venerable Chambers dictionary describes a mystic as "one who seeks or attains direct intercourse with god in elevated religious feeling or ecstasy". The wiki passage states that J. Krishnamurti was not religious which would preclude him from being a mystic.

Wilber's statement is utter bollocks and an insult to scientists.

J Krishnamurti was a 20th century mystic. The wiki is clearly unreliable in this regard. David Bohm, a Nobel-Prize-winning physcist spent hundreds of hours with Krishnamurti, a well-known mystic over a couple of decades. What do you suppose Bohm was seeking?

My question wasn't entirely rhetorical:

Similar to quantum physics, metaphysics has come to state that underneath observed reality is another order of reality that is unifying, undivided, peaceful and eternal. Science has searched for a grand unitary theory for everything, whereas mysticism is the experience of oneness with everything. While science has strived to explain the mystery of matter and being, mysticism has strived to experience it. Science and mysticism have grown closer and closer in this quantum and post-quantum era.

[Ned Kelly]

My question wasn't entirely rhetorical:

Maybe, but certainly part of the wankery.

[boxy]

Do you pretend you have the answers, boxhead?

Perhaps if you read more, and posted less, you would already know the answer to that, padawan

[AiA in Atlanta]

If we are using the Chambers' definition of mystic, then Bohm was seeking to stroke his ego and/or his fear. Religious people are all cowards and/or morons and/or egomaniacs. It seems we can eliminate the moron category in the case of Bohm, so that leaves the other two.

You yourself admitted Krishnamurti wasn't religious. Neither was Bohm.

[Ethnic]

pure esoteric useless wankery.

Yes that's one way to describe you.

[Ned Kelly]

Do you pretend you have the answers, boxhead?

Perhaps if you read more, and posted less, you would already know the answer to that, padawan

I have read, I have been there done that, and you are all just wankers on the issue. None of ye know, yet ye all pretend knowledge. Waste of time, but I readily admit it is all very inviting for dickheads to espouse their all knowing in a place like this, where you all can propose crap and almost get away with it.

That is my job. To make sure you never get away with it.

[boxy]

You're a moron, Arsie, only here to troll up discontent, and stop debate.

However, if you had actually read, and comprehended, my position is that going into untestable areas, such as "ultimate creators" is a futile endevour.

Just sticking your fingers in your ears, and going "la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la... everyone shut up... look at me, look at me, look at me...", however, is pathetic on an internet forum... unless you're just looking to fuck the place over.

[boxy]

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