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[Swami Dring]

I'll vary that just a bit... obviously something in the nature of gods is their capacity to create. These gods I speak of then, or possibly only one of them, were/was responsible for the creation of the multiverse. But that is not to say that they created the multiverse as we understand it now, rather they gave to the void the physical principles upon which existence relies. These gods are geeks of mathematical proportions.

What evidence can you present to support your claim that this/these god(s) created the universe/gave to the void the physical principles.....?

Who created this/these god(s)?

[Swami Dring]

I believe in God simply because.

I can't prove it, it makes no sense.

Fixed that up for you, Froggy.

[Swami Dring]

I suggest that the new physics has simply discovered the one dimensional interpenetration of its own level (nonsentient mass/energy). While this is an important discovery, it cannot be equated with the extraordinary phenomenon of multidimensional interpenetration described by the mystics. We saw that Hinduism, as only one example, has an incredibly complex and profound theory of how the ultimate realm generates the causal, which in turn generates the subtle, which creates the mind, out of which comes the fleshy world and, at the very bottom, the physical plane. Physics has told us all sorts of significant things about that last level. Of its predecessors, it can say nothing (without turning itself into biology, psychology, or religion). To put it crudely, the study of physics is on the first floor, describing the interactions of its elements; the mystics are on the sixth floor describing the interaction of all six floors.

- Ken Wilber

So John Edwards, Doris Stokes, Benny Hinn and Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh are all on the sixth floor and Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking and Isaac Newton are on the first floor. Good one, Ken.

Physics would not stoop to say anything of its "predecessors", because these are fabrications unsupported by evidence. Most religions have come up with "incredibly complex and profound theories" about life and the universe. Problem is, the shit's all made-up.

Agree or disagree with the new paradigm(s), one conclusion unmistakably emerges; it makes ample room for spirit. Either way, modern science is no longer denying spirit. And that is epochal."

- Ken Wilber

Modern science never did deny "spirit", whatever that is (a definition would have been useful). Science is not in the business of denying. It is about observing evidence and formulating theories based on that evidence. And until "spirit" comes with some evidence, even a shred would be nice, science will continue to ignore it as the twaddle that it is.

[J.W. Frogen]

I believe in God simply because.

I can't prove it, it makes no sense.

Fixed that up for you, Froggy.

Changing what was said and presuming to speak for the experience of others, you would have made a fine priest Swami.

Same reflexive self righteousness only without the God.

[Sappho]

It is said (love that term) that the end, judgement and new beginning which Jesus spoke of corresponds to the end of Pisces and beginning of Aquarius.

Said by who?

A you tube doco my atheist brother had me check out once upon a time.

That date, gotta love this, is said to be 21/12/2012... which coincides with all the doom-saying from other sources. It's absolutely deliciousness. Tickles my fancy no end. At that time, it is said, that mankind will control its own destiny. The orb of influence (my friend's term and rather delicious too) has already begun apparently.

That's the date the age of Pisces supposedly ends.

That's right!

That, plus that virtually every religious/spiritual/metaphysical concept in any major or minor belief system on the planet is covered/mentioned in Vedas somewhere. I've also noticed sanskrit words and syllables in Russian, German and Croat languages.
The vedas themselves don't refer to aryans as a race per se, but says they are 'seekers' of spiritual knowledge (Vidya).
While I'm somewhat dismissive of some mainstream western archeology, latest findings suggest the Indus valley/Hindu Kush invasion came from Turkmenistan rather than Iran, although the authors claim to have originated in Siberia.

Have you got a link for the claim made in the last sentence. Just for personal reading... not debating.
Otherwise, I wonder what DNA will say about all of this.

[Sappho]

I'll vary that just a bit... obviously something in the nature of gods is their capacity to create. These gods I speak of then, or possibly only one of them, were/was responsible for the creation of the multiverse. But that is not to say that they created the multiverse as we understand it now, rather they gave to the void the physical principles upon which existence relies. These gods are geeks of mathematical proportions.

What evidence can you present to support your claim that this/these god(s) created the universe/gave to the void the physical principles.....?

Who created this/these god(s)?

My evidence is the universe which shows itself to continually re-create itself suggesting an original creation event or original cause. Creation is a directed activity and the rules that direct it are found in physics. My gods created the physics of this universe and I assume the multiverse in general.
I do not know who created the god/s.

[Ned Kelly]

I do not know who created the god/s.

..and you know not who created the Universe................

Just a waffle fest............neither of ye know jack shit...............but it must have been entertaining for each of ye to........waffle.

[AiA in Atlanta]

So John Edwards, Doris Stokes, Benny Hinn and Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh are all on the sixth floor and Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking and Isaac Newton are on the first floor. Good one, Ken.

Why invoke those names rather than Ramana Maharshi or Jiddu Krishnamurti? Recall renowned physicist David Bohm spent many years dialoging with Krishnamurti. Why did Bohm, one of the greatest minds of the 20th century, have an interest in Krishnamurti, do you think?

[Outlaw Yogi]

That, plus that virtually every religious/spiritual/metaphysical concept in any major or minor belief system on the planet is covered/mentioned in Vedas somewhere. I've also noticed sanskrit words and syllables in Russian, German and Croat languages.
The vedas themselves don't refer to aryans as a race per se, but says they are 'seekers' of spiritual knowledge (Vidya).
While I'm somewhat dismissive of some mainstream western archeology, latest findings suggest the Indus valley/Hindu Kush invasion came from Turkmenistan rather than Iran, although the authors claim to have originated in Siberia.

Have you got a link for the claim made in the last sentence. Just for personal reading... not debating.
Otherwise, I wonder what DNA will say about all of this.

Sorry, not yet.
My computer skills are still a bit limited [despite having to do computer use course @ uni a few years back].
The vast majority of what I've learnt regarding sanskrit texts I picked up while in a (hindu based) yogic cult.
If I ever come across it online, I'll PM it to you.

[Swami Dring]

I believe in God simply because.

I can't prove it, it makes no sense.

Fixed that up for you, Froggy.

Changing what was said and presuming to speak for the experience of others, you would have made a fine priest Swami.

Same reflexive self righteousness only without the God.

You left out "atheism is a religion".

2/10.