Coles says "No hormones in Beef"

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Sappho

Coles says "No hormones in Beef"

Post by Sappho » Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:44 pm

Coles says there are no hormones in their beef, but that is all they say.

This means that they hormones in pork, in lamb and chicken.

I think people have a right to know what hormones they are eating... hormones after all are used as a medical treatment in humans.

Is it legal for farmers to medical treat humans with hormones?

Sappho

Re: Coles says "No hormones in Beef"

Post by Sappho » Sat Jan 01, 2011 7:23 pm

Medical or surgical treatment carried out without a patient's consent may be an assault. People can only give consent if they are informed about the nature and possible side effects of the treatment.

http://www.lawhandbook.sa.gov.au/ch05s02s13.php

(This statement is representative of other states also)

Outlaw Yogi

Re: Coles says "No hormones in Beef"

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Sat Jan 01, 2011 7:55 pm

Saw the claim on telly. I realise hormone feed has been common practice in U$A for decades, but I am under the impression Ozzy producers are into antibiotics [encourages feeding & growth] if into anything.
A lot of Ozzy meat producers are pretty tight, and most animals still eat grass ... alot of the cattle up here are half-wild Brahman X breds running on mega-acre tracts of land including leases on state forests.

I imagine it'd go on more with penned animals, pigs, chooks ..

EDIT ADDITION - I think Woolies came out with "We promise not to sell GM pork" a few years back, but I'm not sure if GM pork was available yet.

Sappho

Re: Coles says "No hormones in Beef"

Post by Sappho » Sat Jan 01, 2011 8:02 pm

Outlaw Yogi wrote:Saw the claim on telly. I realise hormone feed has been common practice in U$A for decades, but I am under the impression Ozzy producers are into antibiotics [encourages feeding & growth] if into anything.
A lot of Ozzy meat producers are pretty tight, and most animals still eat grass ... alot of the cattle up here are half-wild Brahman X breds running on mega-acre tracts of land including leases on state forests.

I imagine it'd go on more with penned animals, pigs, chooks ..
So, you agree that we humans are being medically treated without informed consent.

Australians can sue Americans if it is found that they are exporting their medically treated meat to Australia.
Australians can also sue the supermarkets who sell this medically treated meat.

Since people power is to be found in the class action... for example, the class action against banks for excessive fees which resulted before the case has been heard in banks removing or reducing their fees, then maybe this medical treatment without consent could be made into a class action so as to remove all hormones from meat where ever it is sourced.

Ned Kelly

Re: Coles says "No hormones in Beef"

Post by Ned Kelly » Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:26 pm

This means that they hormones in pork, in lamb and chicken.
Hehehehehehe.

This from the Guru of Grammar!

:mrgreen:
So, you agree that we humans are being medically treated without informed consent.

Australians can sue Americans if it is found that they are exporting their medically treated meat to Australia.
Australians can also sue the supermarkets who sell this medically treated meat
Got some evidence?
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You stick your chin out, I am gonna hit it, guaranteed!
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Sappho

Re: Coles says "No hormones in Beef"

Post by Sappho » Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:28 pm

Ned Kelly wrote:
This means that they hormones in pork, in lamb and chicken.
Hehehehehehe.

This from the Guru of Grammar!

:mrgreen:
OMG! Don't you have a wife to annoy?

Outlaw Yogi

Re: Coles says "No hormones in Beef"

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:48 pm

Well there's GM soy, canola oil, corn or cotton seed oil in the vast majority of processed/packet foods on the shelves.
Fruit and/or derivatives from America is irradiated (and some meat products) as are herbs/spices from India and Korea, and some Australian fruit [plants @ Dandenong Vic, Wetherill Park NSW, Narangba Qld].
The fruit and vege is sprayed with nerve toxins and endoctrine disrupters.
Heaps of processed foods (eg some sausages) contain 621 = MSG
Regular 'table salt' is striped of everthing but sodium and chlorine then anti-caking agent 554 = aluminiosilicate is added, and maybe a bit of iodine put back. Ordinary sea salt for stock is less than a dollar a kilo at produce stores.
Chickens and pigs are fed antibiotics to get them to eat more GM soy and corn stock feed.

People have got no idea what they're eating. And they think I'm odd 'coz I eat fresh road-kill.

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Re: Coles says "No hormones in Beef"

Post by freediver » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:10 am

Sappho wrote:Coles says there are no hormones in their beef, but that is all they say.

This means that they hormones in pork, in lamb and chicken.

I think people have a right to know what hormones they are eating... hormones after all are used as a medical treatment in humans.

Is it legal for farmers to medical treat humans with hormones?
And what about antibiotics and all the other nasty things they do to intensively farmed animals?

Sappho

Re: Coles says "No hormones in Beef"

Post by Sappho » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:15 am

freediver wrote:
Sappho wrote:Coles says there are no hormones in their beef, but that is all they say.

This means that they put hormones in pork, in lamb and chicken.

I think people have a right to know what hormones they are eating... hormones after all are used as a medical treatment in humans.

Is it legal for farmers to medical treat humans with hormones?
And what about antibiotics and all the other nasty things they do to intensively farmed animals?
I don't think that there is any scientific evidence that dosing animals with antibiotics affects humans also. Were there such evidence then yes... that too would be a violation to humans as informed consent in providing a medical treatment is denied.

Remember... this is not about animal rights, although what we do to animals is sickening... this is about human rights.
Sometimes though, you can improve the rights of animals by fighting for the rights of humans. This may be a case in point.

Sappho

Re: Coles says "No hormones in Beef"

Post by Sappho » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:23 am

Outlaw Yogi wrote:Well there's GM soy, canola oil, corn or cotton seed oil in the vast majority of processed/packet foods on the shelves.
Fruit and/or derivatives from America is irradiated (and some meat products) as are herbs/spices from India and Korea, and some Australian fruit [plants @ Dandenong Vic, Wetherill Park NSW, Narangba Qld].
The fruit and vege is sprayed with nerve toxins and endoctrine disrupters.
Heaps of processed foods (eg some sausages) contain 621 = MSG
Regular 'table salt' is striped of everthing but sodium and chlorine then anti-caking agent 554 = aluminiosilicate is added, and maybe a bit of iodine put back. Ordinary sea salt for stock is less than a dollar a kilo at produce stores.
Chickens and pigs are fed antibiotics to get them to eat more GM soy and corn stock feed.

People have got no idea what they're eating. And they think I'm odd 'coz I eat fresh road-kill.
GM has been going on for aeons (or there abouts) and is not necessarily a medical treatment in the same way that the use of hormones is. Likewise, applying chemical compounds does not of itself constitute a medical treatement.

Hormones are in a different category.

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