October 2008 the second hottest after Oct 2003

[White Indigene]

Its funny that yous should mention that. I spose its only a coincidence, and no cause of an WMD weather machine that the weather has got hotter, and the wind has stopped blowing (in the bio-sphere scense), since Labor got elected. As with the economic disaster befalling the country, this too is just a coincidence, as with the health statistics, the increase in Spin Politics, and the appointment of hard line Lefties to oversee all corners of Auzland. A coincidence too, that like the Green Gulag across the ditch, the Brown Gulag under ACOSS et al, will be rent with unhealth and dissent.


"The Arzhan 2 skeletons, which belong to warrior-nomads the ancient Greeks called Scythians, are part of a spectacular series of finds in remote sites in central Asia. One of the discoveries dates back to the 1940s when mummies were found in the Altai Mountains, which run through Siberia and Mongolia. Later, after the fall of the Soviet Union, when some of the sites became more accessible for excavation, the pace of Scythian-related discoveries picked up."
http://discovermagazine.com/2008/jul/25 ... vilization


"Already the transformation of consciousness accompanying this hemispheric shift is creating both exaltation and unease in all people sensitive to evolutionary change. As the West moves through increasing economic and geopolitical tumult towards what many regard as a birthing into a new World Age, pressing questions are being asked. What are we mutating into and what kind of social realities will replace those we know? The mystery and the terror is not so much the speed of change as its unknown destination. Where are we heading? To what precipice sheer and awful, or to what blessed landfall?"
http://www.victoria-lepage.org/artic_civilizations.htm

http://arcticirclecivilization.blogspot ... chive.html

[Jovial Monk]

You suppose that the two warmest Octobers occurred in the last five years? Yeah? No probability, just 'guess' and that means you don't need to actually think, for a change, that your faith global warming is not happening might be wrong.

[White Indigene]

What did you say, exactly?

I mean, did you mean im a warmist sceptic, or a normist sceptic, or perhaps im a pro-change cultist.

What eva Dita.

I can say this though, that the evidence points a cyclical change, which we are now in, coming to climax. As for human induced, well only some-one with too much hormone, or with a superman type complex, could say that the human race, for the fisrt time in history, has the capability to warm the planet -thus engendering the scientific point that man is now more powerfull that the galactic Gods.

So, by reductionism, I conclude that you are a cultist, I a cyclic believer, and that man hasnt got any type of WMD capable of doing what might be suggested.

Furthermore, there is no link between carbon emmisssions, and GW, and there is no scientific link between Australian citizens and the blame of GW. Only the cultists blame Ausland.

Moreover, there is not one single thing that man can do to prevent what is ultimately on the way.

[freediver]

Furthermore, there is no link between carbon emmisssions, and GW,

Unless of course you pull your head out of the sand and look at the science.

[Jovial Monk]

Cyclic change? Earth orbit, sunspots or something else?

Orbit change causes an ice age about every 120,000 years, so long way to go to that. Sunspots contribute very little to global temps.

So, another cycle you were thinking of?

Your post was you not thinking.

[Jovial Monk]

"Professor sheds light for climate change sceptics

THE sun is a powerful player in the planet's climate as the energy it sends to Earth waxes and wanes. But the sun is not driving recent global warming as climate change sceptics claim.

That is the message from atmospheric scientist Marvin Geller of Stony Brook University in New York state, a keynote speaker at this week's Australian Institute of Physics national congress in Adelaide.

"Solar physicists and climate scientists agree that while the sun affects climate (they) cannot account for the last several decades' warming trend without including human influences," he said.

"There is no doubt humans are making the earth warmer by adding greenhouse gases (like carbon dioxide)."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 49,00.html

[White Indigene]

So, heres one for all the Greenies and GW cultists and Carbon enhanced lobbyists.

If all the trees, and all the oil, and whatever else concerns the illiterate and illegitimate Left and the biospherically challenged treehuggers, where then did all this carbon come from to assemble all the trees and oil and so-on????????

And if they are really so concerned, why arent they(?) shouting "What do we want? TREES; When do we want them. NOW" (repeat)

But no, they are on some recalcitrant, abstract ETS trajectory designed to roll back societies everywhere; and expresses no interest in re-assembling carbon as tree structures, even though the climate is rich with the basic material to fertalise exponential growth spurts in trees!

And what about the 'Little Ice Age", where in the years 1645-1715 Sun Spots disappeared, and the last period of prolonged cold struck the Northern Hemisphere? Sun Spots are high intensity energy fountains i:e, Solar Flares. Solar Flares have an 11 year cycle. Its all magnetic, and effects Earths magnetosphere, concentrating stellar heat at the poles. If it werent for the Suns magnetosphere, we would all be fried by Plasma.

[Jovial Monk]

The carbon comes from rocks and before that from the solar cycle of a sun.

Illiterate left? Looked at your own writing?

[mantra.]

So, heres one for all the Greenies and GW cultists and Carbon enhanced lobbyists.

If all the trees, and all the oil, and whatever else concerns the illiterate and illegitimate Left and the biospherically challenged treehuggers, where then did all this carbon come from to assemble all the trees and oil and so-on????????

And if they are really so concerned, why arent they(?) shouting "What do we want? TREES; When do we want them. NOW" (repeat)

I'm a tree hugging Greeny and I'm always telling anyone I can to plant more trees - but I'm sitting on the fence with global warming. The lobbyists for GW have used the wrong approach and should have spruiked pollution and how essential it is to clean it up. It would have been far more effective if they had cited the deaths, illnesses and destruction caused by logging every bit of forrest, churning up fertile soil for mines and dumping toxins into rivers & water basins and rubbish & pollutants into our oceans.

Conservation and sustainablity which most of us understand, should be the issues, not some scientific study - allegedly proven by plenty of scientists, yet allegedly disproven by many others. There's too much conflict and people have no idea what to believe anymore.

[freediver]

It would have been far more effective if they had cited the deaths, illnesses and destruction caused by logging every bit of forrest, churning up fertile soil for mines and dumping toxins into rivers & water basins and rubbish & pollutants into our oceans.

Not for me it wouldn't. I'm happy to sacrifice a small amount of barren outback grazing land for a coal mine if it means cheap energy. CO2 is not 'dirty'. Global warming is the only reason I take an interest.