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- boxy
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Re: Wikileaks
Every bastard seems to be copping their fair share of shit from this, regardless of affiliation. And as far as I can see, it doesn't seem to be "outing" agents/informers/etc., putting them in danger, or revealing militarily sensitive data (current battle plans and the like), which was my major concern with this, at the start.
Bravo.
Bravo.
"But you will run your fluffy bunny mouth at me. And I will take it, to play poker."
Re: Wikileaks
Correct apparently.
From what I've read, I'm under the impression intel agent's names are removed before publication/release, and that is why the leaks is a trickle rather than deluge. Assange's supposed insurance policy was that devotees would dump the remaining 200,000 or so documents onto the web as is en masse if he was arrested or charged or convicted .. forget precisely which.
Personally I think intel org operatives should be outed at every opportunity just like any other terrorist. Enemies are created and munufactured to justify their existence.
So called National security is a complete fallacy and farce used by dodgey characters as an excuse to indulge in sinister activities.
From what I've read, I'm under the impression intel agent's names are removed before publication/release, and that is why the leaks is a trickle rather than deluge. Assange's supposed insurance policy was that devotees would dump the remaining 200,000 or so documents onto the web as is en masse if he was arrested or charged or convicted .. forget precisely which.
Personally I think intel org operatives should be outed at every opportunity just like any other terrorist. Enemies are created and munufactured to justify their existence.
So called National security is a complete fallacy and farce used by dodgey characters as an excuse to indulge in sinister activities.
Re: Wikileaks
Assange Attorney: Secret Grand Jury Meeting in Virginia on WikiLeaks
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/13 ... stigation/
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/13 ... stigation/
"He is entitled under international law, under Swedish law, to know the charges or the investigation that's going on, the allegations made against him and the nature of the evidence which is said to support it," Stephens said. "As I sit here talking to you now, he hasn't that that information, so he's not been able to comprehensively rebut (the allegations)."
Meanwhile, The U.S. House Judiciary Committee plans to hold a hearing on "the Espionage Act and the legal and constitutional issues raised by WikiLeaks," according to its website. More details on the hearing and a witness list had not been posted as of Monday morning.
Before WikiLeaks began posting the cables, Assange wrote to the United States and told them he did not want to imperil any ongoing operations or put anyone at risk, Stephens said. Redactions put in place are not seen to have exposed anyone to risk, he said.
Re: Wikileaks
Yahoo had this search link up (last night)
http://au.news.search.yahoo.com/search? ... r=15534970
Spotted this ..
Al-Qaeda network a failure: US cable
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/br ... -us-cable/
http://au.news.search.yahoo.com/search? ... r=15534970
Spotted this ..
Al-Qaeda network a failure: US cable
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/br ... -us-cable/
A secret Australian intelligence assessment declared the al-Qaeda terrorist network a failure, according to a US embassy cable leaked to WikiLeaks.
The assessment also claimed the regional offshoot, Jemaah Islamiah, has been broken in Australia, Fairfax newspapers reported on Wednesday.
The head of Australia's intelligence analysis agency, the Office of National Assessments, told US diplomats in October 2008 that al-Qaeda "ultimately has failed to achieve the strategic leadership role it sought within the Islamic world".
The assessment undercuts a key argument of the federal government to justify Australia's commitment to the war in Afghanistan, that al-Qaeda could return to use the country as a terrorist training ground, The Sydney Morning Herald reports.
Australian intelligence officers instead blamed Taliban success in Afghanistan on the failings of the Afghan government and the involvement of Pakistan's intelligence and security agencies.
Re: Wikileaks
Why I'm Posting Bail Money for Julian Assange
Michael Moore
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/12/14-0
Michael Moore
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/12/14-0
- boxy
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Re: Wikileaks
I guess the main problem they will have with this, is that the people with access to the originals now, are unknows. Could be personally selling/giving details to other intelligence agencies.Heretic wrote:From what I've read, I'm under the impression intel agent's names are removed before publication/release, and that is why the leaks is a trickle rather than deluge. Assange's supposed insurance policy was that devotees would dump the remaining 200,000 or so documents onto the web as is en masse if he was arrested or charged or convicted .. forget precisely which.
"But you will run your fluffy bunny mouth at me. And I will take it, to play poker."
Re: Wikileaks
luv itHeretic wrote:Why I'm Posting Bail Money for Julian Assange
Michael Moore
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/12/14-0
Re: Wikileaks
... nudderwun ..
WikiLeaks: The Emperor Wears No Clothes
John Pilger and Others
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... pen-letter
WikiLeaks: The Emperor Wears No Clothes
John Pilger and Others
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... pen-letter
We are writing this statement in support of democracy.
Since Sunday, 28 November, WikiLeaks and five major newspapers from around the world (the Guardian, the New York Times, Der Spiegel, Le Monde, El Pais) have been publishing redacted versions of leaked US diplomatic cables in an ongoing story that has become known as "Cablegate". The identity of the original leaker is – as yet – unconfirmed.
This is not the first leak of confidential documentation that exposes governmental lies – and it won't be the last. Secret information has long been used by elites to build and maintain power over huge populations of citizens, workers, armed forces and others. But when the secrets of the elite are revealed, the power they represent can be confronted and reversed.
But the issues run deeper than this. As former US president Thomas Jefferson once stated, "information is the currency of democracy". Democracy – the rule of the people – as currently understood and practiced is, and has long been, severely restricted.
Power is abused in our name by governments and transnational corporations around the world: they fight illegal wars; abuse and kill people; pillage property and planet. The powerful accumulate wealth and force the majority – the rest of us – to pay for it: with our health, our freedom, our time, our money and with our lives. For a long time, we have been deceived about the reasons for this: it is our right for the truth to be known. Without that right, democracy cannot and does not exist. The current assault on WikiLeaks is yet another instance of democracy-hating by elites.
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