LTE will gut the NBN

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LTE will gut the NBN

Post by IQSRLOW » Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:56 pm

The NBN business case relies on not only having all current ADSL users migrate to the NBN, but also finding an imaginary 2-3 million more subscribers. I suggest that will be next to impossible when you look at what other countries are doing. You only have to look at companies like Vivid Wireless who are offering 4G Wimax with up to 20Mbs from $19/month and the ability to migrate to LTE where 100Mbs will be the available.

How does the govt and NBN hope to attract more subscribers when this technology will be cheaper, more readily available and with the ability to handle the download speeds required of the average user. Who knows what technology is just around the corner? But you can guarantee it will be delivered by wireless
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-te ... 18aig.html
The latest generation of wireless Internet that will allow people to watch a crystal clear movie or live sporting event on the street or atop a hill is being deployed throughout Hong Kong.

The Long Term Evolution (LTE) network will give super high speeds across the city and could mean the end of computers ever needing to be plugged into a wall for a connection to the net.

The so-called "fourth generation" system is being rolled out by Hong Kong mobile network operator CSL in partnership with telecoms equipment maker ZTE Corporation.
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"The first launch of an LTE network any place in Asia is truly historic," Joseph O'Konek, CSL's chief executive, told AFP.

"For a lot of people, this will be their first experience of the Internet. They are at a huge advantage to previous Internet generations because they are leapfrogging all those fixed line technologies.

"It is truly going to unleash the power of human networks as this kind of system rolls out more and more across the world."

LTE enables faster data downloads and uploads on mobile devices compared with a third-generation network.

The system will give speeds of up to 100 megabits per second (Mbps) and should make the high quality viewing of full length movies or realtime live sporting events possible anywhere in the city.

LTE networks are already operating in Europe, Scandinavia and North America. Japan will have an LTE system before the end of the year and huge growth in LTE connections is expected over the next five years, especially in China.

Meanwhile CSL's owner, the Australian telecoms giant Telstra, said it is looking to make acquisitions to strengthen its position in the Asia-Pacific region.

"Organic growth is always the best growth. But you do need to acquire new technology that's going to allow you to fuel the growth in the future," David Thodey, the company's CEO, told the Wall Street Journal.

"Sometimes you expand geographically... or sometimes you want to expand your market share. We will be doing all three because it's critically important for a company to keep pushing the limits as you go forward."

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Re: LTE will gut the NBN

Post by Jovial Monk » Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:06 pm

Oh geeze louise, not another wireless will supplant the NBN moron?

One strand of NBN optic fibre has more bandwidth than all the available radio spectrum!

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Re: LTE will gut the NBN

Post by IQSRLOW » Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:11 pm

The bandwidth required for HK would be of a magnitude much greater than Australia, yet they are rolling it out there as well as many other countries with a user base much greater than ours.

Bandwidth available and bandwidth required are what you always leave out of your little piles of bullshit

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Re: LTE will gut the NBN

Post by IQSRLOW » Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:13 pm

None the less, the availability of these technologies will attract a user base that will not require the white elephant. Where will the govt and NBN magically pull the extra users? It's not like a Liebor branch stacking. The users have to actually exist and pay the bill

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Re: LTE will gut the NBN

Post by IQSRLOW » Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:03 pm

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Re: LTE will gut the NBN

Post by Leftwinger » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:45 am

IQ, if you had more than a pea for a brain, you would ask yourself why a government committed to building a national network that incorporates optic fibre and wireless (and satellite) didn't just opt to roll out a fully wireless NBN. They're clearly committed to spending the money anyway so why didn't they just do that? One answer is that all sensible people agree that optic fibre is superior to wireless in nearly every way (the only thing wireless has the is the convenience of portability) but another is that it simply isn't practical for Australia.

To compare Hong Kong with Australia is to not even remotely compare apples with apples.

Australia is a country - Hong Kong is a city-state.

Australia has one of the worlds largest geographic areas - more than seven-and-a-half million square kilometres. Hong Kong by contrast, has a piddling-sized land mass of a mere one thousand square kilomtres. If it were a single piece of land, you could drive right across it in an hour.

Australia's population is widely dispersed across a huge area. Hong Kong by contrast, is one of the most densely populated places on earth. Around six thousand people per square kilometre (and more than fifty thousand in the most populated spots :o ). Even our most densely populated city suburbs don't come close to that.

Let’s say you spend half-a-million bucks per wireless tower. In a place like Hong Kong (or Japan or densely populated cities in the US or Europe), one tower will have huge numbers of people in it’s transmitting/receiving range, no matter where you put it. More than enough to make it cost effective. Here in Oz, only a fraction of the number of paying users will be in range of each transmitter in most places. It just isn’t cost effective for the private sector to build enough mobile towers to give everyone access to high-quality internet (or any internet at all). Nor is it for government, which is one reason they opted for vastly superior fibre, which mostly just involves running cabling, often through already existing ducting.
Wireless is a reasonable “last mile” technology – and when you have seven million people all squashed into an area the size of a postage stamp, every mile is the last mile.
But the situation in Australia is the complete opposite and fibre shits all over wireless anyway.

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Re: LTE will gut the NBN

Post by Jovial Monk » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:59 am

Would have to put up 80,000 towers, all backwired with fibre so more expensive and a heap slower than the FTTH NBN.

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Re: LTE will gut the NBN

Post by boxy » Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:50 am

How the hell do you compare Hong Kong to Australia, with a straight face? It's 10 times smaller in area, than Sydney... let alone the whole of Australia :roll:
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Re: LTE will gut the NBN

Post by IQSRLOW » Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:38 am

With respect to bandwidth that Jovial Gump keeps going on about :roll:

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Re: LTE will gut the NBN

Post by IQSRLOW » Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:48 am

Jovial Monk wrote:Would have to put up 80,000 towers, all backwired with fibre so more expensive and a heap slower than the FTTH NBN.
Being repetitive still doesn't make it the truth :roll:

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