87% take up the NBN

[Jovial Monk]

$26Bn is chickenfeed and need not stop roads etc going ahead.

We cannot afford not to install it.

[IQSRLOW]

$26Bn is chickenfeed and need not stop roads etc going ahead.

We cannot afford not to install it.

Spoken like a true leftarded fuckwit who believes there is a never ending supply of taxpayer monies to be spent on expensive labor dreams that they have no hope of implementing. Just like everything else they have tried, they WILL fail miserably at this. The HIP and the BER were just precursors to the massive waste and mismanagement labor are capable of

[Jovial Monk]

OK, things are looking good and the NBN rollout will soon be unstoppable—Fucking Fielding is on board!

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs. ... ent&src=is

Mr Fielding expressed guarded support for the move after meetings with Telstra chief executive David Thodey, NBN Co chief executive Mike Quigley and Communications Minister Stephen Conroy, the newspaper said.

“It appears that there’s not the same gun against Telstra’s head,” Mr Fielding said, according to the AFR. “I wanted to make sure that there was a fair negotiation between the players and that appears to have been held.

So in the HoR we have the 3 Indies plus Wilkie & Bandit for, in the Senate Fielding will be for, Mr X can be easily bribed—just the thought of media exposure will do it I think, or some other meaningless promise by the govt, some toughening of the anti-pokie Bill say, X can go and spout to the media for hours!

So Telstra will be split, as it ALWAYS should have been!


Changing my mind tho as to whether the NBN Co should be privatised—still worried the bloody Libs will privatise it and as Telstra shows they will do it in the worst possible fucking way! As long as they can raise bucket loads of dough to fund tax cuts for the rich they do not have the wit to worry about consequences!

What changed my mind is the behavior of Qantas and CBA.

The one is a rapacious monster and Qantas has cut maintenance to the bone and moved it offshore away from Oz inspectors’ eyes! Three fucking incidents in one week! The fourth will probably see a plane crash with all on board killed! This is almost third world standard of behavior! Won’t get me on a Qantas jet, nosirree!

Fucking Norris, CEO of the CBA, on a salary of $11m a year (bout 1000 times too much!) was too gutless to announce the .45% rate hike personally and sent his deputy out to explain it. Then says he has broad shoulders. Nah, you got a fat head is all!

OK so if we don’t privatise NBN Co how can we prevent the bloody Libs doing so? Short of a referendum to put the status of NBN Co as govt owned in the bloody constitution? Very hard to do, what one Parliament passes as an Act a subsequent Parliament can set aside (like the Libs will do when they get in and as a first act move to raise the GST, they will amend the GST Act to only have the first 10% go to the States, the rest to go to the Commonwealth.)

The only way I can see to do it is to put the NBN Co in the Future Fund and then change the Future Fund to one that will benefit all Australians not just public servants and military super. A sovereign wealth fund or infrastructure fund or something, get it into peoples hearts and minds that the FF is for them, an extra pension or super top up or guarantee. That would protect it against privatisation by a one term Lib govt tho a long term one would have the time to change public opinion.

But the NBN will go ahead, unstoppable!

[Jovial Monk]

. . . .Just look at the NBN's critics, who are still using the same tired old arguments to fight against a network that is well on its way to becoming reality; desperately needed by lots of people and businesses that have worse broadband access than you; and essential if Australia can hope to build a real economy that doesn't revolve around digging rocks out of the ground.

Speaking of digging, everybody knows it's going to be expensive to dig the country's telecoms industry out of the hole the Howard Government dug for it. The only real questions that need to be asked regarding the NBN are: what is the price of inaction? Australia now being roundly recognised as a broadband laggard with the world's 40th fastest average connection speeds. If we don't fix this, exactly what will it cost us? Will that opportunity cost exceed the approximately $5 billion per year it will cost us to build the NBN in the worst-case scenario? And, more broadly: are inertia, manipulation and baseless attacks on forward thinkers really the way to modernise our country?

It's instructive to go back to 2002, when the Howard Government made a significant commitment to building Australia by introducing the controversial Baby Bonus. Critics said it was ridiculous to pay thousands of dollars just so people could buy new plasma TVs, but the stimulus worked: Australia's flagging fertility trends reversed and 2008 saw the number of births grow 4 per cent over the previous year to reach a record of 296,600 in that year alone.

If Tony Abbott is serious about focusing government resources on investments that deliver clear ROI, he should immediately suspend the Baby Bonus, table a clear financial analysis of both it and the proposed paid parental leave scheme, and compare these against the real case for the NBN...

At a cost of over $5000 per child, the Baby Bonus basically means that we are now paying around $1.5 billion per year for the sole purpose of convincing couples to have unprotected sex.

Now, Tony Abbott is promising to spend $8 billion in the first two years, and billions more every year following, to pay parents to stay at home for up to six months to look after those children. That's around $13,500 per child, per year, at current birth levels.

Considering these figures, it's hard to swallow Abbott's claim that he is axing the NBN because he's a fiscal conservative; like Fielding and seemingly every other politician, he is clearly ready to spend money like the proverbial sailor in a brothel, when it suits his own personal cause.

http://www.zdnet.com.au/why-the-nbn-is- ... 305093.htm

[Super Nova]

KEY independents are considering backing Coalition moves for tougher scrutiny of the government's controversial $43 billion national broadband network after the OECD criticised the concept of a publicly owned monopoly on wholesale internet services.

The opposition spokesman on broadband, Malcolm Turnbull, has proposed amendments that would knock out the government's plan to exempt the crucial deal between NBN and Telstra from the normal safeguards of competition law.

Mr Turnbull says the deal, setting up NBN as a monopoly wholesale provider and ruling out competition from existing copper and cable networks, will push up household internet prices.

Advertisement: Story continues below The independent senator Nick Xenophon said he agreed there was a need for ''safeguards to make sure that consumers don't pay higher prices and retailers aren't dealt with unfairly because we are bypassing normal competition principles''.

''I am very wary of constraining competition and scrutiny by cutting the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission out of the process,'' he said.

The Broadband Minister, Stephen Conroy, has dismissed the criticism from the Coalition and the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, saying a yet-to-be released business case for the plan ''confirms that the NBN project is financially viable and will deliver cheap and affordable broadband''. The legislation enforcing the deal between Telstra and the government-owned NBN was debated in the House of Representatives last night and will be voted on today.

Senator Xenophon said he was searching for a way to increase scrutiny without delaying the roll-out, particularly in regional areas.

The government has argued that sidelining the ACCC is crucial to prevent delays caused by legal appeals and to allow Telstra shareholders to vote on the agreement. ''If we want the Telstra shareholders to be able to vote with certainty we don't need two or three years of appeals after the fact,'' Senator Conroy said.

Telstra has warned that without the competition law exemption the entire deal would collapse.

The fierce debate over the broadband policy came as the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, used the start of the last parliamentary sittings for the year to fight Coalition claims that her government had ''lost its way'' and could not get anything done.

She accused the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, of showing ''all of the political maturity of a two-year-old'' and of relying on ''three-word slogans'' instead of policy analysis.

Mr Turnbull has introduced a private member's bill to refer the NBN deal to the Productivity Commission for analysis.

Yesterday a group of smaller communications providers wrote an open letter to all the independents urging them to support the referral to the commission. The Alliance for Affordable Broadband said the study would ''not delay any of the benefits of the NBN but it will guarantee the right decision is made and those benefits are actually achieved at the right cost''.

The government has rejected the idea of another inquiry but Senator Xenophon said he would urge his ''lower house independent colleagues to support it also, if we can make sure it does not delay the NBN roll-out''.

The Family First senator Steve Fielding said he was talking to the opposition about the amendments. The Greens senator Scott Ludlam said he was alarmed Mr Turnbull's amendments had been produced at the 11th hour and for that reason the lower house Green Adam Bandt had opposed them. But the Greens would ''consider them on their merit'' in the Senate.

The OECD said the NBN could quickly improve internet services but the proposed structure could hamper the development of ''as yet unknown superior technological developments''

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/tec ... 17uf4.html
Monk,

In the other threat a couple of months ago I raised concerns over this and the true value of NBN and the way it has been handled. It may be the right pure technology but the creation of a monopoly by government is a recipe for long term disaster and will not bring the financial benefits promised if not managed properly.

Where are we at with the business case. I have not seen it. If you have, can you point me to it?

Cheers,
SN

Do you have any comments on the article above.

[Jovial Monk]

The govt has just received the business case, it will be released before the end of the year.

Why fuck around with copper? It does not offer the bandwidth or symmetry of the NBN.

The Libs want to kill the NBN, they are pure wreckers with _ZERO_ regard for the national interest.

NBN, RSPT and the BER, now more important since the RBA has killed new house construction, all should receive bipartisan support but Abbott just wants to wreck as his way to get into the PM seat! A babe in arms can see that.

[Jovial Monk]

A Japanese Telecoms exec has criticised the cost ($43Bn of course, not $26bn, this was the OO after all!) and said taxpayers shouldn’t have to fund it (not that they do, but the OO proudly never lets facts stand in the way of a good story

ONE of Japan's richest men has labelled Australia's $43 billion National Broadband Network a stupid waste of taxpayers' money.
Masayoshi Son, who heads Japanese internet and mobile giant Softbank and counts Apple's Steve Jobs and Microsoft's Bill Gates among his friends, attacked the Gillard government's signature project yesterday.

Quizzed about the NBN by The Weekend Australian after delivering a speech in Tokyo, Mr Son said it was completely unnecessary to spend so much taxpayers' money.

"It's a waste; it's a stupid solution," he said. "Without using taxpayers' money you can get 21st-century infrastructure."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busines ... 5945379107

Hmmm firstly the OO gave Mr Son the wrong cost ($43Bn) and told him taxpayers would fund this—neither of these statements are correct. Turns out that the most densely populated parts of Australia, the 2 or 3 most densely populated suburbs, had only a quarter of the population density of your typical Japanese suburb or city are! Their agriculture is so intense even their rural areas are heavily populated! Wonder if the OO told Mr Son that, like our regular farm is hundreds of hectares or that the outer suburbs are like hours of driving from the city centres or is that is all part of their proud tradition on not letting facts get in the way of a good story? Did they advise how Telstra has mismanaged the copper network and that this is now just rotting in the ground? Of course they didn’t, they mumbled something about $43Bn and probably quoted quite selectively what he did say.

They run quite a few non-stories like this. And remember Mr Murdoch reckons our broadband is way too slow! Hypocrite much?

Oh man, did the OO ever get this wrong! Mr Son is so inspired by the NBN that he is going to start running out fibre himself in Japan (well, not him himself, his company is, hehe.)

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-re ... #r26686759

While he quibbled about the govt paying this “"Without using taxpayers' money you can get 21st-century infrastructure.” he didn’t say the NBN wasn’t the 21st century technology. Here, no one company, not even Telstra + Optus can run out the NBN and Telstra wouldn’t even try, it again would do the easy, profitable bits and the rest of Australia can get fucked. Again, my remarks re relative population densities come into it. Poor old Deepshit is wrong again!

Also from Whirlpool I learned that over the NBN you can either run VoIP telephone calls or have a service much like the present POTS service.

At a cost of $26Bn over 8 years the NBN represents petty cash and the crime against Australia and its taxpayers is not building it.

[IQSRLOW]

The govt has just received the business case, it will be released before the end of the year.

Why fuck around with copper? It does not offer the bandwidth or symmetry of the NBN.

The Libs want to kill the NBN, they are pure wreckers with _ZERO_ regard for the national interest.

NBN, RSPT and the BER, now more important since the RBA has killed new house construction, all should receive bipartisan support but Abbott just wants to wreck as his way to get into the PM seat! A babe in arms can see that.

The OECD say your are wrong and the Libs are right. Cuntroy can only make his business case by shutting down competeing networks and creating another monopoly. The OECD ate not saying the nbn is a bad thing, only that labor are once again fucking up the impelementation. Just like they always do and boy will it cost some money this time.

[Jovial Monk]

This is what passes for debate in the Sheep Pen:

Free WiFi in Brisbane city parks


Free WiFi internet access will be available at two inner-city council parks from next week.

Brisbane City Council will introduce WiFi hotspots at both New Farm Park and the City Botanic Gardens next Wednesday.

Transmitters will be located near the New Farm Park rotunda and at the Queensland University of Technology end of the gardens.

This is now also being trialled in Brisbane on rail and is proving to be very successful.

The days of being permanently chained to your desktop will die out when the last of the relics toddle off to their maker.

Meantime the [ALP] stands resolutely determined to cater for the antiques.

Ummmm how are all these wifi spots connected to the rest of the internet? By magic? By wires! Soon wifi will receive a huge speed boost in this country from the NBN! Also, 4thGen wireless will chain you to your desk too as that is fixed wireless.

And I use wifi too, to my computer on the back verandah where I enjoy a magical couple of hours in the mornings but at least I realise that the faster the connection in is the faster the wifi will be. I have also stated before that I think wifi will actually end up being the wireless networking technology of the future. But will rely, of course, on the NBN FO cables.

The Apple Airport Extreme base station can wifi at hundreds of megabits per second and I will get one of these when the NBN reaches here. At present I use ordinary Airport via an airport card in each Mac.

But I guess wifi spots connected via magic appeals more to the fairies in the Sheep Pen.

[IQSRLOW]

4thGen wireless will chain you to your desk too as that is fixed

why do you feel the need to lie so often?