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Re: 87% take up the NBN

Post by IQSRLOW » Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:30 am

More experts come out labeling the govt fucking idiots

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 5945379107
NBN a waste of money, says Japan IT mogul Masayoshi Son[/size]
ONE of Japan's richest men has labelled Australia's $43 billion National Broadband Network a stupid waste of taxpayers' money.

Masayoshi Son, who heads Japanese internet and mobile giant Softbank and counts Apple's Steve Jobs and Microsoft's Bill Gates among his friends, attacked the Gillard government's signature project yesterday.

Quizzed about the NBN by The Weekend Australian after delivering a speech in Tokyo, Mr Son said it was completely unnecessary to spend so much taxpayers' money.

"It's a waste; it's a stupid solution," he said. "Without using taxpayers' money you can get 21st-century infrastructure."

Mr Son had just finished delivering his own vision of how to deliver fibre-to-the-home connections throughout Japan without any taxpayer contribution.

He claimed that his solution, recently put to Prime Minister Naoto Kan and several members of his cabinet, would deliver basic fibre connections for just 1150 yen ($15) a month, far cheaper than what is envisaged under the NBN.

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Re: 87% take up the NBN

Post by Jovial Monk » Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:34 pm

A Japanese Telecoms exec has criticised the cost ($43Bn of course, not $26bn, this was the OO after all!) and said taxpayers shouldn’t have to fund it (not that they do, but the OO proudly never lets facts stand in the way of a good story :D
ONE of Japan's richest men has labelled Australia's $43 billion National Broadband Network a stupid waste of taxpayers' money.
Masayoshi Son, who heads Japanese internet and mobile giant Softbank and counts Apple's Steve Jobs and Microsoft's Bill Gates among his friends, attacked the Gillard government's signature project yesterday.

Quizzed about the NBN by The Weekend Australian after delivering a speech in Tokyo, Mr Son said it was completely unnecessary to spend so much taxpayers' money.

"It's a waste; it's a stupid solution," he said. "Without using taxpayers' money you can get 21st-century infrastructure."
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busines ... 5945379107

Hmmm firstly the OO gave Mr Son the wrong cost ($43Bn) and told him taxpayers would fund this—neither of these statements are correct. Turns out that the most densely populated parts of Australia, the 2 or 3 most densely populated suburbs, had only a quarter of the population density of your typical Japanese suburb or city are! Their agriculture is so intense even their rural areas are heavily populated! Wonder if the OO told Mr Son that, like our regular farm is hundreds of hectares or that the outer suburbs are like hours of driving from the city centres or is that is all part of their proud tradition on not letting facts get in the way of a good story? Did they advise how Telstra has mismanaged the copper network and that this is now just rotting in the ground? Of course they didn’t, they mumbled something about $43Bn and probably quoted quite selectively what he did say.

They run quite a few non-stories like this. And remember Mr Murdoch reckons our broadband is way too slow! Hypocrite much?

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Re: 87% take up the NBN

Post by IQSRLOW » Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:31 pm

Jovial Fuckwit wrote:Wonder if the OO told Mr Son that, like our regular farm is hundreds of hectares or
Maybe try reading the fucking article next time :roll: ...but then you would be able to fill your posts with lies and half truths
Mr Son said that while Australia faced obvious technical challenges in terms of distances and sparse population, Japan's mountainous terrain and thousands of islands posed challenges, too.
You're an ignoramus

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Re: 87% take up the NBN

Post by Jovial Monk » Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:10 pm

Townsville has now 57% of households etc taking up the NBN—very likely the mainland takeup rate is 88 or 89% now.

Even in Tassie 50% have consented to have the NBN connected to their house but are not yet using it for internet: once their prepaid credit is used up or contracts expire that figure will quickly grow.

So NBN zooming ahead!

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Re: 87% take up the NBN

Post by IQSRLOW » Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:55 pm

http://www.smartcompany.com.au/informat ... mania.html
11% take up rate
The Government has admitted the take-up of the National Broadband Network in Tasmania is a lower-than-expected 11%, fuelling criticism the network is too expensive and unnecessary for current mainstream broadband requirements.

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Re: 87% take up the NBN

Post by IQSRLOW » Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:02 pm

Labor paying business $3Bn to lure customers to their failure

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/nati ... 5943017642
THE National Broadband Network could spend as much as $3 billion in incentives to encourage internet providers to lure customers to the network.

The incentives would avoid a repeat of the dismal activation rates witnessed in the Tasmanian trial,

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Re: 87% take up the NBN

Post by Jovial Monk » Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:02 am

Wow, this is from tho OO, as Lefty calls it, the national daily shit sheet:
Broadband network offers test of imagination

THE government's NBN will allow for a revolution in the use of scientific data.

IT'S not often that a policy of such vision, potential and transformative power finds its way into public discourse and public infrastructure. The National Broadband Network may be one instance.

First up, we're not going to be able to show this importance with the flavour du jour, ye old cost-benefit analysis. Lately, we have seen emerging from the woodwork a phalanx of abacus flappers screaming in unison for a CBA, as if one could be decisive in determining an NBN's benefit.

At certain historical junctures, however, the best way to judge an outcome is to rely less on today's ruler and more on history's arc. This is an arc of such extraordinary scope that present methodologies render CBA irrelevant; its benefit can be perceived only from a historical perspective.

This perspective highlights information transfer and speed. The technological advance from papyrus scrolls to the codex was faster information access within a single document; for multiple documents, the Gutenberg press's revolutionary automation needed the faster (physical) transportation of presses and books.

The game-changing transitions from the post to the telegraph to email transformed a planet into a village.

Finally, there is what distinguishes our species' consciousness, our intelligence emerging from the scope and speed of our synaptic exchanges.

When the history of the internet is written, it will be divided into two distinct eras: what we'll coin the electron era and the photon era. These eras are characterised by the means of information transfer with the electron era (predominantly) using electrons in copper wires compared with the photon era's use of photons in (fibre-cased) light beams.
We will be among the first nations to move from electrons to photons, great! Not the first, unfortunately!

OO goes on:
Since the birth of the internet, only 20 years ago, we've seen YouTube clips, movie and music downloads, videoconferencing, the digitisation of history's published words, e-lectures, gaming and the rest. All this transformation, however, is mostly associated with the information flow of human expression. Websites are designed, music is composed, videos are produced, words are crafted. What we have yet to see is the wholesale collecting of scientific and systemic data. This is because data collected mounts much more quickly than data crafted, and it mounts more quickly than can be handled by the pipes of the electron era.

However, with the pipes of the photon era, everything changes. What is truly revolutionary about the speeds possible in an NBN is not the extra text, voice or video that will be sent but this piping of scientific data. The ability to send sophisticated algorithms and large data sets is set to become the game-changer of this century. This is data collected from the ocean, soil and air; from cattle, crops and bodies; from our cars and appliances; from our finances and cognitive processes.
So, that is one advantage of the photonic age, the sheer bandwidth available. That is not the only advantage of course:
Apart from the speed differential, there is also an asymmetrical difference: copper technology supports only these download speeds whereas data-intensive applications require similar upload transfers.

The choice is therefore stark: without an NBN we are consigning ourselves to an electron era in perpetuity; with an NBN, a society-transforming photon era beckons. Far more productive than the present political argy-bargy would be to hear more enthusiasts debating new NBN possibilities. Such a conversation would emphasise the value, not to mention the poetic magic, of subterranean flashes of light crisscrossing the country, igniting a nation's spirit. If a number must be put on this, forget billions: it's got to be in the trillions.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/op ... 5946342354

Get more info from:
http://blog.ronaldmonson.com/
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Re: 87% take up the NBN

Post by Jovial Monk » Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:21 am

From the blog:
First up, we’re not going to be able to show this importance with what seems to be the flavour du jour, ye old Cost Benefit Analysis (CBA). Lately, emerging from the woodwork have crawled a phalanx of economists running around flailing their abacuses, pointing at the NBN and proclaiming - but where’s your CBA? but where’s your CBA? All this noise however, instead of convincing you of a CBA’s utility, tends to just remind you of the one done long ago on their own profession. That verdict? Pretty Dismal.



This is a profession whose models almost unanimously failed to predict the greatest financial meltdown since the Depression. A more recent example is Treasury underestimating revenue from the proposed mining tax by a lazy 2 Billion. The nation’s chief bean counters can shift their fiscal position on a single tax to the tune of 2 thousand million dollars … within 7 weeks. Hence it should go without saying that the cascading, far-reaching effects of a much more influential NBN can never be decisive, save for what its continual championing says of a profession flapping about in the face of its repeated failures.
The implications of all this are, as we have been trying to say, thrillingly difficult to predict but existing trends and scientific developments point to applications of the following nature: massive efficiency gains in energy usage by smart-homes plugged in to a national energy grid; automated, longitudinal models for disease prevention and detection through connecting body functioning with chemical exposures and food intakes; artificial intelligence modelling our cognitive processes to assist us with next moves in financial management, educational interactions and software sitting in the cloud; an explosion in telemetry with devices remote and near, bobbing, hovering, towering and burrowing while silently monitoring climate change and the nation’s biodiversity; businesses seamlessly applying the latest algorithms from similarly connected research institutions; and finally, returning to our original example, a next-generation democracy in which mooted policies and all their flow-on, interactive effects can be judged and voted on using models of unheard of transparency and sophistication.
And this is what I have been arguing consistently here and on PA, that the Libs version of an NBN won’t do, apart from not spending anywhere near enough money to fix up the many ills of the copper CAN:
What is not debatable however, is that a photon era will never occur under such a rollout. It cannot occur not only due to a resulting bandwidth of insufficient size, but also because of its asymmetrical nature. That is, copper technology only supports download speeds of this order whereas these data-intensive application intrinsically require similar upload transfers. The choice is therefore alarmingly stark. Without an NBN we are consigning ourselves to an electron era in perpetuity; with an NBN, a society-transforming photon-era beckon.
As Australia’s natural resources dwindle and deplete, there will come a time this century when our grandchildren will need to live more off their wits than our resources have spared us from doing so. They will have to compete with countries, less resource-blessed and hence with generations of practice in technological innovation. The NBN once built will be a pivotal competitive advantage and therefore a natural platform for ensuring the “luck” continues. It could also be argued that in the interests of generational equity, it’s the least we can do. The NBN - a colossal White Elephant? … more like a post-mineral White Knight.
Now we gotta get it built despite the troglodytes on teh right:
One might hope that politicians could sense that the game-changing transitions from Post to the Telegraph to Email were ultimately “just” means of faster information transfer? - means that transformed a planet into a Global village. That what distinguishes our species` consciousness, our emergent intelligence is the scope and speed of our synaptic exchanges? The hope is likely to be dashed: Here is some Coalition synapic activity?
This idea that ‘hey presto’ we are suddenly going to get ten times the speed from something that isn’t even built yet I find utterly implausible.
Tony - I’m no Bill Gates - Abbott expounding on the implausibility of the laws of physics.


And then there is his predecessor and now chief demolisher
While lofty rhetoric about vision, imagination and the digital future is all very well …will Gigabit fixed line speeds, for which households can't yet envisage a use, be valued above the convenience of mobility, for instance?

The reality is, there simply isn’t demand at the household and every small business level for Internet at that speed …

Malcolm - I am Bill Gates - Turnbull prognosticating on the future of information flow.
So:
Huh? A photon era is either impossible or it is possible but pointless? In a nutshell it seems that what the Coalition is really saying (on either of these contradicting positions) is that well folks, that’s it for this Interwebs thing. That explosion, that transformation of the electron age - just a curious historical quirk - from now on it’s all steady as she goes mate - browsers won’t change much, might get a little quicker for movie downloads, a few more facebook profiles might sprout, email traffic and online newspapers will keep going gangbusters but apart from that cobber, it’s pretty much all she wrote.

It’s hard to imagine a political body any more decrepit. Credit’s due where credit’s due though, this at least represents some sort of maturation: this conception of the Internet is now frozen in the 90’s.
That every now and then an enabling technology comes along whose very foundational nature, potentially so critical to a nation’s way of life, is precisely why it could never be built by the private sector in the first place. If an NBN doesn’t fit such a bill then it is difficult to conceive of a project that ever will. The Coalition’s brand now seems to include a view of government that never involves national infrastructure.

How hard would it really be to acknowledge that the left has come up with a little beauty on this one and to instead argue, that the party of prudence and “build-it-and-they-will-come” optimism, would be the best one instinctively to carry it out? The Australian electorate might even forgive them such a nuance.
As if, the Libs never ever nation build! They hold on to what they have and shut their eyes to changes.

And the Opposition Orifice, whose founder remember slammed the Libs for our paltry broadband:
Perhaps buoyed by the closeness of the last election and the partisan backing of The Australian, the Coalition seem to be banking on a repeat performance in waging a war on the NBN. Certainly of late this broadsheet seems unusually keen to provide a platform for the nay-sayer’s over-represented bleatings. The Australian has run upwards of fifty stories against the NBN since the August election. Authoritative headlines such as “We’ll pay dearly for this folly”, “NBN sums don’t add up” “Seven reasons why the NBN will fail” (surely one would have sufficed Malcolm?) have almost become daily fare.
. . .a partisan player commencing a war of attrition on one of the key platforms of the party it has taken to supporting of late. A war that assumes special piquancy given the NBN’s shocking potential to reduce the influence of big, established news organisations, especially those unwilling or incapable of changing their business models.

Given the manifest benefits of a NBN to the nation, that alternative technologies are ruled out by the laws of physics and that, unlike virtually every other media outlet in the country, the ratio of articles is running at 10% for verses 90% against; the balance of probabilities suggests the latter. On this issue at least, The Coalition and The Australian are like two mating hawks inextricably entwined in a spectacular death-spiral.

To flog another metaphor, in all likelihood their combined opposition isn’t even flogging a dead horse for it has already bolted. It does however, make you wonder at the complacency of all the CSIRO scientists, the academics and (less so) the technologists in what seems like lack of public engagement on the NBN. A groundswell of public contributions on this issue, would counter the Abacus flappers, but more importantly, move the NBN beyond redundant justifications. To instead, move onto formenting a brainstorming on how best to utilize this upcoming, amazing new resource.
Ronald Monson concludes:
Far more productive would be to hear more enthusiasts sprouting and debating new ideas and NBN possibilities. Such a conversation would really start to emphasise the value, not to mention the poetic magic, of subterranean flashes of light crisscrossing the country in carrying, connecting and igniting a nation’s spirit. If a number must be put on this, forget billions - it’s got to be in the trillions.
Well, I have tried my bit, emphasising not just the bandwidth but the symmetry of the NBN and what that offers.

Naysayers keep on crapping on about wireless, mixing up mobile 3G with fixed 4G wireless to boot, which has neither bandwidth whatever claims of peak speeds are sprouted nor symmetry. While wireless connections increase in number the amount of data transferred by wireless is stagnant, data is increasingly carried by DSL, wires. The NBN is wires on steroids—plus that symmetry!

And Ronald has given one more use for the NBN’s symmetry—the collection and sharing of real time data!

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Re: 87% take up the NBN

Post by Jovial Monk » Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:38 am

I posted a comment there, wonder if it will be published?

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Re: 87% take up the NBN

Post by IQSRLOW » Tue Nov 02, 2010 10:35 am

Monsoon= fluff piece

Yawn

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