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Re: Australian politicians refusing to listen

Post by Aquarius » Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:30 am

Black Orchid wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2024 5:07 am
mellie wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2024 11:13 pm

It's a good thing that Australians are consuming more and more news from alternative sources like X, tiktok, fb and other sources now.
I disagree.

It's mainly the young and the gullible who get their 'news' from social media. TikTok is nothing but China spun trash and look at how Twitter (X) and Facebook censored information during Covid and swamped us with mis/disinformation and only what the governments wanted us to see and what their owners wanted to spin.

Look at the video bytes showing the police in a shocking light without showing the full picture of events that occurred prior to the selective video bytes.

Look at the teenagers committing suicide because they are allowed to be incessantly bullied via social media.

Unfortunately we can't escape social media now but to depend on it for 'news' is insanity imo.

I'm glad that the govt is doing something about this by preventing kids under 16 accessing social media. It is way overdue!

The bullying online can tip kids over the edge. It's relentless and anonymous. As we saw with the bullying experienced by Charlotte O'Brien both at school and then online it became a 24/7 nightmare for that poor kid that she couldn't escaspe. Exclusion can be devastating for young girls. Psychological research has shown that being excluded and ostracised has an effect on the human brain that impacts like physical pain. Whilst most young kids will at some time experience some degree of being pushed away from the group, being excluded from the clique and being humiliated on an ongoing basis can push some more vulnerable girls to take their own lives to escape the daily torment.

Schools must do more to tackle this sort of bullying rather than look on the victim as the problem. They need to have properly trained counsellors and there needs to be consequences for bullying behaviours that are escalating.

And as a major part of the bullying is done online it becomes relentless because technology makes the situation worse. The victim cannot get any peace even at home or on weekends. Hence the govts' plan to take away that aspect of the bully's domain - Snapchat, Instagram, Tik Tok, etc until they are more mature at 16 and more likely to have the personal skills to deal with it.

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Re: Australian politicians refusing to listen

Post by mellie » Wed Dec 18, 2024 6:02 pm

This may sound harsh, but there's always going to be a percentage of youth who harm themselves, and while it's comfortable blaming social media etc, I wonder if the government latch onto particular incidents in order to justify introducing laws and distracting us from the bigger issues, for example, community supports, post code inequality re- youth services including mental health services and Labors promise to install psychologists into schools following Covid, instead, they created a loophole, allowing individuals who had completed quicky tafe courses work as mental health professionals in schools, some doing more harm than good and themselves unequipped to handle the extent of abuse,neglect, trauma and poverty fallout when we all came out of lockdown and the kids who were already at risk before Covid situations had amplified. This girl who commit suicide was portrayed by our media to have been a regular, well adjusted teenager from a middle class family with no problems other than that she'd endured online bullying. Perfectly well adjusted kids don't generally top themselves because of some cyber troll going too far, it's more likely that there's more to the story than just a kid who was bullied at school or online. Most people have endured bullying at some point in their lives, but they don't all commit suicide. I don't think a Nanny state is the solution, because if these kids have underlying problems to begin with, these issues still need to be addressed. Suicide is a tragedy, regardless of who the victim is, and of course especially tragic when it is a child, or young person, but some advocates of a socialist government might be inclined to jump on the bandwagon and use it to have controversial legislation passed.
Remember, kids are getting smarter, and the smarter they get, particularly youth, the less inclined they might be to vote for candidates / party's who underneath their pseudo- environmental surface, have absolutely nothing to offer them as individuals. Remember, this is the age of information and technology sure, but it's also the era of individualism. So these kids no longer need to rely on propaganda being handed out at uni, or asking their parents even, they're able to jump online and "compare the market", and there's multiple sites that actually allign you with a party and it's policies in seconds, I saw this site advertised on Facebook recently and there's heaps of them. These 5 second quizzes are very popular on social media and kids are also realising the hypocrisy of all politicians and their party's, so times are changing whereby the old adage of " if you haven't voted left by the time you're 25 you've got no heart, and if you're still voting left by the time you're 30 you have no brain" is not necessarily as accurate as it once was. Kids aren't necessarily voting with their feet these days, they want to know what a given party, government can do for them as individuals and with this comes more informed younger voters, something the Left probably aren't too thrilled with so what better way of getting these younger people off social media than to use youth suicide as their excuse?
It's simple enough to bypass the age restrictions anyway. Most sites rely on an honesty policy and don't request parental email confirmation. My daughter’s Roblox account didn't, and whilst it sent me an email advising that the birthday of my daughters account had changed recently ( we tested it) they didn't request my ID, or even my email verification to confirm that I had even read the email :roll
Furthermore, it went straight to my spam folder, so had I not been testing the new age restriction system, and gone searching for the email, I wouldn't have seen it.

This government knows this, it's just looking for highly emotive reasons to rush through it's nanny-state socialist policies and bills literally overnight and with as little scrutiny as possible.



They've made many changes to government websites too, a good example is the Victorian education department website which detailed all units of study for each year, P to 12, and was a phenomenal website for teachers and parents to assist with lesson planning and or equip parents who wanted to help their kids with a given unit of study at home. No longer is it accessible by anyone without a Vic edu email account. In other words, you need to be employed as a teacher or education support teacher to access the curriculum units now.

So needless to say, parents can no longer scrutinise units of study with any reliable degree of accuracy now, ( Safe Schools units or Respectful Relationships units) as the curriculum units layout or lesson plans are no longer accessible by mums and dads, or even students wanting to help themselves.
The website FUSE was pulled, and a new site ARC is available to "LOG INTO" with your edumail email address. :c

Why is this relevant to this topic?

Because yet again, politicians aren't listening and aren't aware that it's citizens are very aware of what the underlying agenda is.

And in the new year, as we begin ramping up towards the election, social media will play a significant role in exposing politicians policy and their legislation for what it is.

Remember, it only takes one person to expose the truth, people generally delve into things themselves from there if interested, this is why social media is so effective. Succinct snippets of honest information can move mountains on social media, and the US election campaign is evidence of this fact.

Be careful about what you wish for, because once we allow them to introduce socialist nanny-state legislation, particularly concerning social media, it won't stop at kids!
They've got an agenda to shut-down political debate in general, why do you think the Left has took over our mainstream media years ago?

Don't let them take this too.

Social media is likely to have saved more lives than it's been accused of taking, it's a well documented fact that loneliness is a significant part of battling serious illness and any sort of emotional or mental illness.

For me, it's been medically important in order to get the right ballance of medication for my Rhumatoid Arthritis, because the public hospital rhumatologists * several of them* didn't mention biologics until I myself raised the issue after having joined an RA support group on Facebook.
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Re: Australian politicians refusing to listen

Post by Bobby » Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:03 pm

mellie wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2024 6:02 pm

They've got an agenda to shut-down political debate in general, why do you think the Left has taken over our mainstream media,

Don't let them take this too.

If you want to try the strictest forum in the world -
go to our Australian site - Whirlpool.

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/

You can't even get into the politics section called " in The News"
till you've made at least 100 posts and been there for many months
and when you do you soon get banned for any right wing comments -
such as - The Labor Party is full of commies"
I couldn't write anything in the end.

That In the news Section is not available to the public.

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Re: Australian politicians refusing to listen

Post by mellie » Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:27 pm

Bobby wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:03 pm
mellie wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2024 6:02 pm

They've got an agenda to shut-down political debate in general, why do you think the Left has taken over our mainstream media,

Don't let them take this too.

If you want to try the strictest forum in the world -
go to our Australian site - Whirlpool.

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/

You can't even get the politics section called " in The News"
till you've made at least 100 posts and been there for many months
and when you do you soon get banned for any right wing comments -
such as - The Labor Party is full of commies"
I couldn't write anything in the end.

That In the news Section is not available to the public.
Thank 4 fixing my typo there Bobby *took* I tried to correct it myself, but it wouldn't let me. It's not easy typing longer posts on my phone. Getting new laptop soon all going well. Just having difficulty deciding I miss my old Toshiba laptop.
Whirlpools always been really bad for pimply geek tech-support Leftys and Indians on work visas. What can you expect from a telico that was originally state-owned? Telecommunists. 😆
I wouldn't post there in a pink fit.
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Re: Australian politicians refusing to listen

Post by Bobby » Wed Dec 18, 2024 8:15 pm

mellie wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:27 pm
Bobby wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2024 7:03 pm
mellie wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2024 6:02 pm

They've got an agenda to shut-down political debate in general, why do you think the Left has taken over our mainstream media,

Don't let them take this too.

If you want to try the strictest forum in the world -
go to our Australian site - Whirlpool.

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/

You can't even get the politics section called " in The News"
till you've made at least 100 posts and been there for many months
and when you do you soon get banned for any right wing comments -
such as - The Labor Party is full of commies"
I couldn't write anything in the end.

That In the news Section is not available to the public.
Thank 4 fixing my typo there Bobby *took* I tried to correct it myself, but it wouldn't let me. It's not easy typing longer posts on my phone. Getting new laptop soon all going well. Just having difficulty deciding I miss my old Toshiba laptop.
Whirlpools always been really bad for pimply geek tech-support Leftys and Indians on work visas. What can you expect from a telico that was originally state-owned? Telecommunists. 😆
I wouldn't post there in a pink fit.

I don't remember making that correction.???

I use only my proper desktop - keyboard and mouse - my mobile phone is awful to use on forums.

Whirlpool is a piss poor forum yet it's the largest one.

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Re: Australian politicians refusing to listen

Post by mellie » Wed Dec 18, 2024 9:41 pm

Whirlpools mods are very clearly biased, always have been. The owner claims his sites independent, not biased towards other telecos, but Whirlpool actually began as a community resource for users of Telstra's BigPond cable internet service. The name Whirlpool was a parody of BigPond. Personally, I would have called it BigBog. The sites currently hosted by internode, which is owned by Telstra 😁. The forums bias doesn't stop there, everything from telecos to politics, even has lounges for certain members who endorse their their own products and services. Hey, I don't begrudge a guy/gal from making a living from a forum, but at least be upfront about it and notify users of the board rules, rather than bully people who have different opinions and prefer a different teleco. Lol. I imagine the owner of the site is morbidly obese, has a long mullet , showers very infrequently and has cheesels stains on his fingers, keyboard and anything else that's come into contact with his fingers.
Probably has a porn addiction, vitamin D deficiency and hasn't left the house he lives in with his parents and pet rat for 20 years .

In other words, he's a wierdo, and so are his unpaid legion of trolls who have been supplied unlimited use of his pizza and porn lounge in exchange for selling their tech crap/advice 😆

Don't let it bother you Bobby, there's plenty of other forums worthy of engaging in civilised discussion about politics, pointless trying to engage in civilised discussion with fools who just don't have any idea or interest anyway. Better off talking to a brick wall.

I joined their boards many years back, and after reading through some of their forums, I was having some trouble with my ASDL ( constant dropouts) at the time and thought I'd get some free tech advice. I discovered later on that they were hosted by Telstra, so....

Anyone who complains about Telstra or its subsidiaries is roasted or banned, so unless you are having trouble with a non- Telstra product, it's pointless
I didn't give them the opportunity to ban me, I don't even think I posted, nothing I read there gave me the desire to engage, so...

And, I'm not a cheesels fan 😄
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Re: Australian politicians refusing to listen

Post by mellie » Wed Dec 18, 2024 9:52 pm

Whirlpool is similar to https://www.ozbargain.com.au/forum but at least there's more on offer on OB , and at least it's upfront about it's intention which is to flog stuff.

I don't post at either, but I know that the two forums complain about eachother, like rival bike gangs lol
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