Australian politicians refusing to listen

[mellie]

Seems pretty clear what most Australians really think, about the quality of immigrant's entering this country destroying our way of life.

Time they listened or will they continue ignoring us, playing voters off one against the other like naughty siblings blaming eachother?

Has the time come for a meaningful 3rd party contender?

Or are we happy to continue voting for what feels safe, comfortable, even if neither leading party's reflect the majority of Australians core values?

Both are terrified of what social media has, re- the potential to destroy both their campaigns.




https://www.reddit.com/r/australian/com ... australia/

[mellie]

And it's not just Meta they need to be worried about.
Australians have had enough.

Nothing's sacred or off-limits, remember this gentlemen when you head back to the polls in a few months time.

Australians are absolutely outraged with what has happened to our nation, and rightfully so.

[mellie]

The police have made their views clear, but are politicians listening, really?

The cops are who see what our media filters from our day to day reality.... and its become very clear to me that they're not prepared to do it any longer.

Alice Springs
An experimental dystopian Australian city , 20% Indigenous Australians, 40% impoverished/traumatised/criminal refugees, and the rest a mixture of skilled Australians and illegal immigrants or people who are trying to disappear or who are desperaly looking for ways out of The Alice.
Sounds like the backdrop for a Netflix series, and how political leaders created a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah in the middle of the Australian dessert without the rest of Australia having a clue....until now!
Darwin has been the focus as of late, but I think Australia has to start focusing on more than what's screening on reality TV and what's happening within their own neighbourhoods.

It's everywhere, but our mainstream media has been silenced.

It's a good thing that Australians are consuming more and more news from alternative sources like X, tiktok, fb and other sources now.

It's only seniors who continue subscribing to major Australian newspapers and outlets. ...and mostly for the crosswords.

Times are changing, AI generates my daily news aggregation, feeds along with my morning crosswords + word puzzles.

[Aquarius]

Well I just posted a fairly long reply on here and then when I submitted it, I was redirected back to Login!!

I had already logged in! This has happened before. And now I've lost my post and don't have the time to rewrite it again.

[mellie]

Well I just posted a fairly long reply on here and then when I submitted it, I was redirected back to Login!!

I had already logged in! This has happened before. And now I've lost my post and don't have the time to rewrite it again.

This has happened to me a number of times, when you get redirected to login screen, log back in, then when you get dumped at empty page, just click back through the pages until you come to your content.

Then click submit again. Works for me.

[Aquarius]

Thanks for that Mellie. I'm pretty sure I clicked back through the pages but I might not have logged back in again first.

And just to be sure ... next time I post something that is particularly long like that post, I will save it first!

[mellie]

Thanks for that Mellie. I'm pretty sure I clicked back through the pages but I might not have logged back in again first.

And just to be sure ... next time I post something that is particularly long like that post, I will save it first!

It can be a little fiddly, and if you click back too fast, you can even lose your page ( lol I lost one this morning myself ) but at least it's a place where we can come and have a rant, without the risk of content being pulled, ( within reason of course) and we get the chance to be able vent and discuss what's REALLY happening in the world with others. X is good, but limited due to word count,and the lack of community feel. I don't mind redit and quora at times but it's nice to be able to come here and interact with my original clan and fellow animals. I stopped posting due to personal reasons, had to be sure that the individual concerned had stopped following me. We met online, so I had to take care.

When you think about it, in the very beginning when I was in my 20s still, Cracker then Yahoos news message boards were the only places we could go to discuss politics online , and some clunky news boards, and it was interesting times and dynamics whereby there were assorted clans. The conservatives, The Leftys and the trolls, those trying to flog all manner of dodgy stuff, even "sex" because Cracker was basically a Fairfax owned classifieds site which had forums attached for people wanting anything from help with crosswords to porn, yes porn even lol. So, interesting times, and some of us weren't ok with the way Cracker was headed and the elements it was attracting, the closure of the crossword forum did it for me, I then took it upon myself to weed out the garbage, wierdos, crooks, even backyard animal breeders flogging half dead cats/dogs ...was a truly diverse rich tapestry of cyber-life over there, but us originals who were only there to chat about politics, crosswords, current events were being trolled, abused, even stalked off the boards so people began complaining to Fairfax and ACMA and so Fairfax eventually pulled the pin on the forum component of the classified site. Good in some ways, but not good for those of us who had become a community and just wanted a place to chat sensibly about current affairs and so on like crosswords, music, books, you name it, Cracker had a forum for it. Before they closed, several of us were invited to a few different forums, Yahoos boards, I think Freedivers too, and a couple of others I can't or don't really want to recall. Lol I even created one myself so I wouldn't be lost in cyberspace, so people who were original Crackers could find me.
Unfortunately, I wasn't very good tech- wise at running a forum so it was hacked very early on, and the admin was taken from me so I decided to stick to posting on various established and more professional boards who's owners/ addmin/ mods knew more than me ( not hard lol) about running a board.
That's when we went from being Crackers to Yahooligans then when Chan 7 Bruice ***** son was implicated in being a scumbag on the boards over there ( I suspect he was part of the reason Crackers forums were closed to begin with ) because Fairfax and the Chan 7 media groups , CEO Bruice who was in charge of Yahoos boards stood to advantage from Crackers boards closing to begin with. So after Yahoos boards crashed, I think most of us found our way to Freedivers forum. So here we are, and have been for many years now and free from the MSM moderating or deleting our posts due to them not aligning with their publications or corporations political ideology or sponsorships.

Over 20 years it's been since we started out on Cracker, but glad it's closed because the scumbags that would trawl the forums to sell their wares or engage with other scum, which was more than a distraction for even the most conscientious poster, they would absolutely destroy discussions and posters mimicking handles, you name it, even the more determined ones like me eventually got sick of their shenanigans.

I felt embarrassed posting amongst them, and I know the crossword setters from various respectable publications grew fed up too because they stopped posting on the boards eventually.

I learnt how to solve and set cryptics from these guys ( men and women) , and I know they had taught many people who would end up there because they needed help with a grid.
This was back in the days when puzzles answers were published the following week in the same publication, so sometimes waiting 7 days to complete a puzzle was agonising so the forum was excellent for getting hints from the crossword compilers themselves. Good Times. Just needed an independent platform that wasn't in it for the $$$$ ( MSM) and some decent trustworthy mods, which is what Freediver has done, organised trustworthy people who know a thing or two about tech to help keep his boards free of trouble.

I wonder if anyone's ever written a book/ article about the humble beginnings of online cyber communities, culture back in the 90s 2000s, particularly in Australia?
If any of you know of someone who has, I'd love to read it.
There were some seedy elements sure, but the majority were there for the same reasons we all post here. Mutual interests in politics, current affairs, culture, hobbies etc.

[mellie]

Getting back on topic..... politicians need to listen more to their nations people. Because ignoring even a small minority of people can lead to electoral disaster, especially when the opposition sniffs the opportunity to listen to said "small groups" and they add it to their own campaign agendas. Labor are notorious for sniffing out the disadvantaged and they will tell you this is because they care about the working-class, about social responsibility, public departments and use their election platforms to virtue signal and make all sorts of promises, but let's be honest with ourselves here guys, have both of our nations two major parties leaders been completely frank with Australians in recent decades?

Seems pretty much the expectation that our politicians blatantly lie to their citizens and that it's not only expected, it's the norm.

We should be holding them to account more, particularly in an era whereby having a public opinion is not only possible but effective in mustering up people-power.

There's more of us than them, but I feel the very concept of democracy and holding leaders accountable for their actions is lost on our younger generations who are too busy with social media and counting "likes" to be debating politics.

Only when something terrible happens will Australians get on board and flip a muted opinion.
They generally don't want to be deemed "Karen's or Kevins" because this isn't cool.

I come from a long line of political debaters, even at the family Christmas table or at reunions, we'd have some rather passionate and livy discussions.....and all adults would share their thoughts views. The concept of "debate" has slowly been creeping out of our children's public schools too, my daughter’s grade 5/6 class have never engaged in a classroom discussion or debate, how on earth can a child's learning regarding 'Civics' be considered complete without the concept of competing views, debate?
Instead, our children are now required to complete persuasive writing tasks about sustainability and climate fear, my daughter won a literary prize award recently, an award that came with a book shop voucher, and an awards ceremony lead by local council MPs, who handed out certificates to only a handful of children in our regional city. I was very proud of course, she beat children who attended prestigious private schools, boarding schools, yet my heart sunk when I learned that the prizes were donated by the judges of the writing pieces themselves .... a local renewable green energy corporations representatives, complete with a handshake and photo op ( she was in the local paper). .....
I didn't even get to read or see her submission until we attended the awards ceremony at the library on the night.

We are therefore cultivating mushrooms, kids who are taught not to form their own opinions or challenge the status quo and submit to a corporate and politically engineered point of view because not doing so renders your submission worthless, invisible, regardless of writing finesse and talent.

"Mushroom Farming" , this would have been a fantastic title for her essay. Her article was articulate and polished, and very well written, however she was very aware that she needed to write a certain way in order to win the prize.

I imagine this would have been like a Hitler's Youth award ceremony.

Politicians need to start listening to their nations people, rather than aim to stiffle them.

[Aquarius]

It's a good thing that Australians are consuming more and more news from alternative sources like X, tiktok, fb and other sources now.

It's only seniors who continue subscribing to major Australian newspapers and outlets. ...and mostly for the crosswords.

Times are changing, AI generates my daily news aggregation, feeds along with my morning crosswords + word puzzles.

I don't really like Facebook or Tik Tok because they collect a lot of data about you. I sometimes look at X. Although I must say I did prefer reading newspapers. When the Manly Daily stopped being delivered 5 days a week on the Northern Beaches, lots of people went into mourning. It was the end of an era. The Daily was a font of community information. And it was great for advertising - whether jobs, cars, garage sales, anything for sale for that matter, all the latest convictions from Manly court as well as all the community news.

I know some people now prefer Facebook for that. My DIL is on the lower Blue Mountains Facebook and it is a real community site. She sells all her stuff on there. People come up to her place and she leaves the stuff on the front verandah for them because she is not always home and they leave the money under the doormat. Wow - try to do that down here!!

[Black Orchid]

It's a good thing that Australians are consuming more and more news from alternative sources like X, tiktok, fb and other sources now.

I disagree.

It's mainly the young and the gullible who get their 'news' from social media. TikTok is nothing but China spun trash and look at how Twitter (X) and Facebook censored information during Covid and swamped us with mis/disinformation and only what the governments wanted us to see and what their owners wanted to spin.

Look at the video bytes showing the police in a shocking light without showing the full picture of events that occurred prior to the selective video bytes.

Look at the teenagers committing suicide because they are allowed to be incessantly bullied via social media.

Unfortunately we can't escape social media now but to depend on it for 'news' is insanity imo.