Betelgeuse. Betelgeuse. Betelgeuse.

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Betelgeuse. Betelgeuse. Betelgeuse.

Post by Jasin » Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:46 pm

Bigger than the orbit of Jupiter from the sun in size. :shock:
Looking every bit like it will go Supernova the moment you say its name three times. :geek:
Here's a silent 2min clip of it pulsating like a boiling erratic bubble looking like its bursting at the seams. :WTF


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Post by Bobby » Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:50 pm

It may explode tomorrow or it could be in 1,000 years.

It would be good if it happened while we could see it. :)

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Post by Jasin » Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:01 pm

Yes. I'm sure the global consensus would be to see the massive light show that will shine brighter than the moon.
Regardless if it will destroy an orbiting planet of intelligent beings inhabiting a world far better than ours. :lol:

I'm just awestruck at the size of it!

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Post by Bobby » Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:08 pm

Jasin wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:01 pm
Yes. I'm sure the global consensus would be to see the massive light show that will shine brighter than the moon.
Regardless if it will destroy an orbiting planet of intelligent beings inhabiting a world far better than ours. :lol:

I'm just awestruck at the size of it!
There won't be any beings near Betelgeuse -
it's a giant short lived star.
Life can only get started when it has billions of years -
as around a star like ours - a smaller medium size star.

It will be a fascinating light show and the spectra will give us a lot of information
about the elements produced in a supernova.

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Post by Jasin » Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:24 pm

Agree. It is a very short time span for that system and it's probably long since pulverised surrounding planets.

It depends on the planetary system.
Ours has a lot of variable and stimulations - like our 'moon'.
Pluto & Charon seem the closest to ours in 'complex' relationship.
But the likes of Venus & Mars were never 'alive' with life, because they lack a satellite that gravitationally gets the planet's heart pumping with internal heat.
The more 'complex' the system, the more chance of 'complex' life evolving.
There may be a planet out there with two sizable moons of influence and all the other cycles that Earth experiences and more. Life there may have accelerated faster in its evolution to us.

I don't think they'll even find biological life on Triton - despite the 'billions' they are spending to send that 'Dragonfly' there.
Though - it is a complex (but sterile) moon, compared to most. Triton, Pluto, Charon, Enceladus, Europa seem the only interesting moons, etc.
The rest are just 'cratered' balls of dirt and rock with minimal change.

They should be sending probes out to Uranus and Neptune and maybe Pluto-Charon (binary) again for a longer analysis.

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Post by Bobby » Sun Apr 28, 2024 7:38 am

Jasin wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:24 pm
Agree. It is a very short time span for that system and it's probably long since pulverised surrounding planets.

It depends on the planetary system.
Ours has a lot of variable and stimulations - like our 'moon'.
Pluto & Charon seem the closest to ours in 'complex' relationship.
But the likes of Venus & Mars were never 'alive' with life, because they lack a satellite that gravitationally gets the planet's heart pumping with internal heat.
The more 'complex' the system, the more chance of 'complex' life evolving.
There may be a planet out there with two sizable moons of influence and all the other cycles that Earth experiences and more. Life there may have accelerated faster in its evolution to us.

I don't think they'll even find biological life on Triton - despite the 'billions' they are spending to send that 'Dragonfly' there.
Though - it is a complex (but sterile) moon, compared to most. Triton, Pluto, Charon, Enceladus, Europa seem the only interesting moons, etc.
The rest are just 'cratered' balls of dirt and rock with minimal change.

They should be sending probes out to Uranus and Neptune and maybe Pluto-Charon (binary) again for a longer analysis.
I think life only developed here in our solar system
except for perhaps Mars where it most likely died out over 1 billion years ago
and even then may have been only single cell life.

Bear in mind how long it took for the Earth to create only single cell organisms:

https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/perman ... e-explodes
For more than three billion years, the Earth harbored only single-celled organisms. At some point, multi-cellular life appeared, in the form of jellyfish, worms, and sponges. But these early animals, being soft-bodied, left few fossil traces. About 560 million years ago, animals with shells formed, and their skeletal remains left markers in the sediments. Within tens of millions of years, most groups of organisms that we recognize today had appeared, in what is known as the Cambrian explosion.

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Post by Jasin » Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:40 am

Reckon a more sophisticated or complex planetary system that offers more stimuli and variables than our Planet's... regardless of the type of sun or their distance from it (as I don't think there is a 'habitable' zone, it depends on the planet's own situation) - might have an accelerated evolution of life in the process, than ours.

Maybe the moon was too close to earth at the time, during the Archean? Massive 1000m tides doesn't help?
Maybe the effects of the molten Hadal eon didn't really wear off till half-way into the Archean?
Chemosynthesis just took a long time to fill up this entire globe with its form of life, before once reaching that 'global' limit - it's able to 'evolve' into the next step and head up towards photosynthesis... and so on.

...just like we will experience something 'evolutionary' when we have the global consciousness that our population and power has reached its max limit on this little blue marble.

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Post by Bobby » Mon Apr 29, 2024 1:27 pm

Jasin wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:40 am
Reckon a more sophisticated or complex planetary system that offers more stimuli and variables than our Planet's... regardless of the type of sun or their distance from it (as I don't think there is a 'habitable' zone, it depends on the planet's own situation) - might have an accelerated evolution of life in the process, than ours.

Maybe the moon was too close to earth at the time, during the Archean? Massive 1000m tides doesn't help?
Maybe the effects of the molten Hadal eon didn't really wear off till half-way into the Archean?
Chemosynthesis just took a long time to fill up this entire globe with its form of life, before once reaching that 'global' limit - it's able to 'evolve' into the next step and head up towards photosynthesis... and so on.

...just like we will experience something 'evolutionary' when we have the global consciousness that our population and power has reached its max limit on this little blue marble.

I don't think so -
almost all of the time for evolution was in just creating a single cell organism -
that's how complicated a single cell is.
Remember - we all came from a single cell that has multiplied into 70 trillion cells to make one human being.

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Re: Betelgeuse. Betelgeuse. Betelgeuse.

Post by Jasin » Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:36 pm

Ahhh. But what about 'God'? :P

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Post by Bobby » Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:21 pm

Jasin wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:36 pm
Ahhh. But what about 'God'? :P
We are speaking only of known science.

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