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Re: Music

Post by Bobby » Wed Apr 24, 2024 1:08 pm

Jasin wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2024 10:16 am
Pretty interesting. Just goes to show how many older and wider genres of music have really been popular, even more so than mainstream.
But I tend to wonder about 'sales' statistics as if they were Tree Rings?
I mean, the 'population' doubles in a few decades, so there's more 'sales' there for the latest, more than oldest on the 'immediate' and the bias of older albums with their culminative sales over the decades over the latest.

I guess there is only one way to tell if the music or album is good.
...it's still getting played like some Mozart or Holst today and is still functional to mix with today like William Barton to the latest Sci-Fi theme.

So Whitney Houston is the Queen. Michael Jackson is the King
and Fleetwood Mac are the Princes and Princess.
I think there are less albums sold today.
Copying on the internet means people don't have to buy albums to enjoy music.
Also - the music today is awful - the people in it have no idea - no talent.

This was 51 years ago and looks like it would sell out concerts today.



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Re: Music

Post by Jasin » Wed Apr 24, 2024 7:47 pm

Traditionally, the major Record Companies would only make a profit off just one out of the nine signings they made for the year.
That's slim pickings for the Companies and they could only hope that the one signing that did help them profit - would profit in a big way.
Tough business. The other signings nearly always never succeeded or produced a profit. Even established successes with their first album, 80% come the second album - never made a profit much. The third albums did better.
Even Bowie had his Golden Years and not so profitable years. Especially when after their initial first album success - their 'budgets' for their following albums would increase dramatically and sometimes this didn't pay off or made them broke.

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Re: Music

Post by Jasin » Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:06 pm

DIG - a great doco on the Brian Jonestown Massacre V The Dandy Warhols.
Shows how the Music Industry was going in that era of many 'Indies' and how 'selling out to commercialism' was at its extreme cultural odds with Musicians.
Shows the love-hate relationship between the two bands so closely tied together and yet so vastly different in their journeys.
The moment Courtney plays "Not if you were the last junkie on earth" to Anton in the car is as pristine as a murder between the two Musicians - a moment in history. Especially when that song thrust The Dandy Warhols into international success as their first 'commercial' attempt at 'selling out'.

Here's the trailer.
I do suggest you watch it. Superbly made by a director that fluked it with two such bands that would eventually provide one of the greatest music documentaries ever.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r ... ORM=VRDGAR

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Re: Music

Post by Bobby » Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:34 pm

Jasin wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2024 7:47 pm
Traditionally, the major Record Companies would only make a profit off just one out of the nine signings they made for the year.
That's slim pickings for the Companies and they could only hope that the one signing that did help them profit - would profit in a big way.
Tough business. The other signings nearly always never succeeded or produced a profit. Even established successes with their first album, 80% come the second album - never made a profit much. The third albums did better.
Even Bowie had his Golden Years and not so profitable years. Especially when after their initial first album success - their 'budgets' for their following albums would increase dramatically and sometimes this didn't pay off or made them broke.

yes - and the rise of Ziggy Stardust only lasted about 4 years - I think.

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Re: Music

Post by Jasin » Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:36 pm

Reckon Aussie had the same stunned mullet of fear on his face as Anton when he realised he had just been sacked as EL and I had become EL. :lol:

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Re: Music

Post by Bobby » Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:37 pm

Jasin wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:06 pm
DIG - a great doco on the Brian Jonestown Massacre V The Dandy Warhols.
Shows how the Music Industry was going in that era of many 'Indies' and how 'selling out to commercialism' was at its extreme cultural odds with Musicians.
Shows the love-hate relationship between the two bands so closely tied together and yet so vastly different in their journeys.
The moment Courtney plays "Not if you were the last junkie on earth" to Anton in the car is as pristine as a murder between the two Musicians - a moment in history. Especially when that song thrust The Dandy Warhols into international success as their first 'commercial' attempt at 'selling out'.

Here's the trailer.
I do suggest you watch it. Superbly made by a director that fluked it with two such bands that would eventually provide one of the greatest music documentaries ever.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r ... ORM=VRDGAR
I don't know them.

it's here:


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Re: Music

Post by Bobby » Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:38 pm

Jasin wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:36 pm
Reckon Aussie had the same stunned mullet of fear on his face as Anton when he realised he had just been sacked as EL and I had become EL. :lol:
Aussie went crazy. :o

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Re: Music

Post by Jasin » Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:41 pm

Bobby wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:37 pm
Jasin wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:06 pm
DIG - a great doco on the Brian Jonestown Massacre V The Dandy Warhols.
Shows how the Music Industry was going in that era of many 'Indies' and how 'selling out to commercialism' was at its extreme cultural odds with Musicians.
Shows the love-hate relationship between the two bands so closely tied together and yet so vastly different in their journeys.
The moment Courtney plays "Not if you were the last junkie on earth" to Anton in the car is as pristine as a murder between the two Musicians - a moment in history. Especially when that song thrust The Dandy Warhols into international success as their first 'commercial' attempt at 'selling out'.

Here's the trailer.
I do suggest you watch it. Superbly made by a director that fluked it with two such bands that would eventually provide one of the greatest music documentaries ever.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r ... ORM=VRDGAR
I don't know them.

it's here:

The Dandy Warhols went on to Commercial Success world-wide with many hits. In the Documentary - you will see how the Record Company they sold out to - had its own ideas for the clip to their "Heroin junkie" song, which took them by surprise on their first take.

The Brian Jonestown Massacre on the other hand... well, I won't spoil it for you. It's a must see doco on how things were like in that period in the American Music Industry.

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Re: Music

Post by Bobby » Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:44 pm

Jasin wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:41 pm

The Dandy Warhols went on to Commercial Success world-wide with many hits. In the Documentary - you will see how the Record Company they sold out to - had its own ideas for the clip to their "Heroin junkie" song, which took them by surprise on their first take.

The Brian Jonestown Massacre on the other hand... well, I won't spoil it for you. It's a must see doco on how things were like in that period in the American Music Industry.
I heard a bit of that song -
it didn't come up to the standards of the classics I posted - sorry. :oops:

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Re: Music

Post by Jasin » Wed Apr 24, 2024 8:48 pm

The KLF (also known as The Jamm) is also a great Music Industry documentary via a Band.
The KLF were one of the world's most successful bands where everything was a 'hit' - so much so, they even made a book about 'How to make a hit song' and so audacious was this - it did help upcoming bands make 'hit songs'! Amazing. It was like they had found the secret formula to music success upon their own without the need for Record Companies.
They are also 'world famous' for burning $500 million dollars in their 'anti-commercial' stand. :shock:
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