Burning The Book

[Super Nova]

The new now is that it is off because the preacher thought he had a deal to stop the mosque at ground zero in NY, then Iman said "no that was not agred". so now it is on hold.

My prediction is.

He burns the quoran.
US citizen die due to islamic fundamentalist blaming the US for the act of one man
He get killed by a holy warrior.
The shit hit the fan.

OR

he does not burn the book.
He going on the US national talk show tour
Make some remarks that insult Islam further
He gets killed by a holy warrior
The shit hits the fan

[Ned Kelly]

Fucken melodramatic anti hero horse shit freediver.

The culprit here is not the wanker who wants to burn some papers with letters printed on them not so long ago, it is the Media who have beaten this pip squeak up from a piss ant God botherer with 50 supporters in some wanker County of the USA, to a national figure whose acts are of some national/international importance. If the Media had ignored it, no one would give a shit. I certainly don't, and I certainly do not regard his posturing as anything other than 'look at me' crapola.

The Media are a root cause of many International problems. It is getting so bad, that the time is fast approaching that their 'freedom' ought be restricted.

This incident is a classic example. If it was never mentioned in the Media, and the idiot burned every Quoran he could get his hands on, no-one would give a fuck.

It is the Media which gives this petty wankery gravity it does not deserve.

[boxy]

When it comes to defending freedom of speech, it is rolling over. Burning a Koran is not being an offensive jerk. Killing people in response is. You are letting rabid Muslims dictate to you what is common decency. You should let common sense dictate what is common decency.

O Rly?

Well guess what. I'm not saying he can't do it. I'm saying he's being a jerk. I though that would be a plainly obvious FACT to anyone who isn't a rabid (pseudo)christian ideologue. I'm not saying that killing, or violence of any kind is an appropriate action, and if anyone did respond in such a way, I would expect them to be dealt with accordingly.

What has to happen before you will condemn (not prosecute) someone for misusing their right to freedom of speech, freediver? What if some jerk like this decided he would make a statement by declaring "international ejaculate on mary mackillop photo day"? "International defecate on the origin of species day"?

[Super Nova]

Well guess what. I'm not saying he can't do it. I'm saying he's being a jerk.

I like that dfinition. He is a jerk that is being completely provocative. He must expect a severe reaction beyond the concequences of drawing an image of the prophet Mohammod or writting the "Satanic Verses". It will cost a shed load of money to protect him. He is going to die or have to go into exile.

I though that would be a plainly obvious FACT to anyone who isn't a rabid (pseudo)christian ideologue. I'm not saying that killing, or violence of any kind is an appropriate action, and if anyone did respond in such a way, I would expect them to be dealt with accordingly.

The thing is, they will be seen by the extremists as good muslims by defending the faith in killing the infadel. If they trully believe they will go to heaven and be welcomed by Allah and all that hot totie.

What has to happen before you will condemn (not prosecute) someone for misusing their right to freedom of speech, freediver? What if some jerk like this decided he would make a statement by declaring "international ejaculate on mary mackillop photo day"? "International defecate on the origin of species day"?

I don't think the west would want to kill them for it. That is the big difference.

[Super Nova]

Interpol said the burning would probably provoke terrorist attacks. Ronald Noble, the global police agency’s secretary-general, said: “Although there are currently no specific details as to what form of terror attacks would follow, what is clear is – if the Koran burning goes ahead – there will be tragic consequences.”

A confidential FBI report said that police should be prepared for revenge attacks in the United States. Earlier yesterday, the State Department warned any Americans travelling overseas to be prepared for anti-US demonstrations.

World leaders had encouraged Mr Obama to intervene. Asif Ali Zardari, the Pakistani president, condemned the plan as “despicable”. Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, the president of Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim nation, said it would damage attempts to reconcile Muslims and the West.

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -deal.html

Looks like the crisis has been heded off. i still think someone will target him for execution.

[freediver]

Fucken melodramatic anti hero horse shit freediver.

The culprit here is not the wanker who wants to burn some papers with letters printed on them not so long ago, it is the Media who have beaten this pip squeak up from a piss ant God botherer with 50 supporters in some wanker County of the USA, to a national figure whose acts are of some national/international importance. If the Media had ignored it, no one would give a shit. I certainly don't, and I certainly do not regard his posturing as anything other than 'look at me' crapola.

The Media are a root cause of many International problems. It is getting so bad, that the time is fast approaching that their 'freedom' ought be restricted.

This incident is a classic example. If it was never mentioned in the Media, and the idiot burned every Quoran he could get his hands on, no-one would give a fuck.

It is the Media which gives this petty wankery gravity it does not deserve.

That's a lot of bile for someone who doesn't care.

Aussie the media thinks it is important because Muslims think it is important, which means everyone else has to pay attention also. I get that freedom of speech means zilch to you, but surely you realise that the potential reaction from Muslims matters?

What has to happen before you will condemn (not prosecute) someone for misusing their right to freedom of speech, freediver?

Here's the thing boxy. I do not think it is an abuse of free speech. Burning a flag is an entirely legitimate political statement in some circumstances. Likewise, so is burning a Koran. The response of so many Muslims to the Danish cartoonists alone justifies it. These people are preaching some nasty stuff and burning this symbol of what they preach is not an over-reaction.

What if some jerk like this decided he would make a statement by declaring "international ejaculate on mary mackillop photo day"? "International defecate on the origin of species day"?

I wouldn't care enough to bother responding. Given the sort of tripe that gets posted here I am surprised that you consider that a good example of the abuse of free speech. Why don't you chastise me for not getting on my high horse every time Frogen tells us about his penis? The only reason I take an interest in this one is because the guy could get killed for it. That sort of fear is a dangerous thing. It is something that our society must confront, lest a ragtag bunch of lunatics figure out how to hold us to ransom like a bunch of pussies.

It will cost a shed load of money to protect him.

He is worth every penny. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. If we must self censor to the point where a guy can't BBQ a Koran in his backyard then there is something very wrong with our society.

The thing is, they will be seen by the extremists as good muslims by defending the faith in killing the infadel. If they trully believe they will go to heaven and be welcomed by Allah and all that hot totie.

So tell me SN, who is really the jerk here, and who is the hero? The guy burning the Koran and standing up to these people, or the lunatics lining up to kill him?

[IQSRLOW]

Irony is you championing free speech considering the way you run your other forum

[freediver]

Oh, you mean this one?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl? ... 116676/1#1

You are right. That is ironic.

[IQSRLOW]

Do you think that pointing to sycophants actually negates my point?

[IQSRLOW]

Do you and your minions there not ban that which you and them deem offensive? Why are you such a hypocrit?