Are Races Equal?

[Nom De Plume]

Many prevailing theories of intelligence suggest that people with lower IQs are the ones most likely to break the law, since impulsivity, struggles at school, lack of social bonding, and lack of foresight are all linked to criminality. In comparison, intelligent people have traditionally been seen as less likely to commit crimes, and this view of brainpower as a protective factor against offending has been bolstered by many studies over the decades. But there may be an IQ threshold after which a high IQ becomes more of a risk factor.

Indeed, Oleson’s high-IQ group reported higher crime rates, compared to the control group, for 50 of the 72 types of crime surveyed. These included minor offenses such as trespassing and copyright violations, but also serious crimes such as arson, fraud, and kidnapping. The high-IQ offenders were also more likely to get away with their crimes, with significantly fewer convictions per reported offense.

https://qz.com/923648/why-do-highly-int ... it-crimes/

[brian ross]

Brian Ross wrote

President Eisenhower once made a joke about IQ quotients, "Do you realise that exactly half of the population of the US is of below average intelligence?" He was correct. Averages rely on totalling the total and dividing by two, so half are above the average and the other half are below. According to "Bogan", the would render them all dumb or brilliant. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

I have immense respect for General, and later President, Eisenhower, and I would presume that what he said in that statement (if he even said it) was a joke. The US Military is the world's foremost military and is the world's foremost technological military that has fielded the most breathtakingly advanced weapons. The US military is a great believer on the accuracy of IQ scores and it subjects all potential recruits to it's ranks to IQ tests prior to enlistment. And it has done that for 70 years. The IQ cut off point for the US military (according to Jordan Peterson) is 83. Below 83 and the US military considers that such an applicant just does not have the mental capacity to do anything useful in the US military. According to Peterson, that means 10% of the US population is too dumb to function in an advanced western society. London to a brick that I know which ethnicities are very disproportionately represented in that 10%?

Brian, I have no doubt at all that you are smart enough to know that some ethnicities have a majority of people with lower than average IQ, who are too dumb to function in an advanced, western society. But you will never admit the truth because it is in your interests, and the interests of you public servant leftist mates, to deny the truth. The more dummies imported into advanced western societies with very high rates of serious criminal behaviour and welfare dependency, the more jobs which are created in the public service. Albo just announced that if labor wins the next election, he is going to create 18 more government departments and agencies. Once created, they can never be uncreated. And you can bet that all of their recommendations and reports will be, is that the government should spend more money on their departments and agencies.

Better still, the more dumb and welfare dependent minorities, the more they will vote for Labor to keep the flow of cash from productive people to themselves. And the more opportunities for the public service to expand to "fix" the problems that multiculturalism creates. So Labor and your public service mates support the idea of just anyone who country shops to claim "refuge" status should be immediately given asylum. To hell with crime rates. Sydney has had 13 Arab and Muslim criminals shot down in it's streets in the last few months (good riddance) and your stupid and self serving policies are turning Sydney into the Chicago of the Pacific. But that is a good thing for your public service mates. More crime means more police, more publicly funded defense lawyers, more judges, more interpreters, more social workers, more parole officers ,and more prisons and prison guards. Imported violent idiots are your read and butter and you will defend their continued importation to the death.

The only problem with that, is that you are shitting in your own nest. Sooner or later, this country will become as dysfunctional as formerly successful and wealthy communities such as Detroit and Chicago, now almost completely full of dysfunctional minorities. And bankrupt. California is the latest manifestation of your public service, leftist mindset. 100,000 of the most productive people of California are fleeing the state every year (to be replaced by unproductive, welfare seeking foreigners) to get away from it's leftist government with it's hatred of business, it's stifling public service bureaucracy with it's masses of regulations and laws, it's groveling to dysfunctional minorities, and it's ever rising taxes to pay for the ever swelling numbers of largely imported dumb people who live on the streets and shit everywhere.

But just like the unionists who sabotaged Australia's war effort in order to enrich themselves, and who never even cared if the allies won or lost, you don't care about your own country. As long as you are ensconced in your little sea side villa in Bateman's Bay along with your other public service mates, with your generous public service pension before the axe falls, you could not give a fuck.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, "Bogan" you do make a great deal out of nothing. Genetics is a great science - which you referred to as a "religion" when I last mentioned it and which you have yet to reply directly to. In reality it is still very much in it's infancy with only a few genomes mapped fully. We know what humanities looks like but we still do not what the various genes do. Funny that. We don't know what creates various "races" and why they were created by various external environmental factors. They produce attributes which we don't fully understand yet. "Race" is one such. It has little bearing on anything except how we look to one another. It produces attributes which are purely physical. Attributes which you believe decide how people act. All without evidence. The only evidence you have are social things which are a consequence of politics more often than not. Factors which you never consider. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

[Bobby]

Are White people further away from the Chimps?

[Bogan]

Brian Ross wrote

Appears you missed this, "Bogan"? I don't want to assume your avoiding me...

Avoiding you? Hahahahaha! Having the fun of reaming you out again was one reason I came back onto this site. I missed you. I am a bit pissed that you ran off and started another topic somewhere else, and you have been MIA on this topic for the last ten pages, or so. And I am also pissed that you probably want me to submit arguments and rebuttals I have already dealt with in the last ten pages.

Brian Ross wrote

Bogan" science is not a "religion". It is based on repeatable facts. Genetics has shown humanities' attributes which separate humanity from primates. You relying on belief, not reality. Try again. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Oh, that's good. You start off by implying that you are the scientific one. Yeah, sure, Brian. Always pretend to grab the moral high ground first, is a Brian Ross standard tactic.

The topic under discussion is "are races equal?" As I have written previously in my quote that you kindly submitted, I say they are not. And I give reasoned arguments and support them with scientific facts. On this, and many other sites that I submit this topic on, most of my opponents simply refuse to give reasoned arguments supporting their position, much less any scientific facts to back up their opinions. The BELIEF that "all races are equal" is for them, simply that, A BELIEF. Most people who believe this crap do not even know why they believe it. It is exactly like a religion. It is a BELIEF that has been inculcated into their brains so long ago, and internalised as an immutable fact, that they even get indignant that they should have to justify their opinion.

So we go through this process where they "debate" with me by just attacking everything I say with sneery one liners. The reason why they do this, is because it is not something they ever thought that they would ever need to reason out. So, they don't have any arguments at all other than a few stale slogans, and a few half remembered points they heard somebody else say somewhere, in a tone of moral superiority. Submitting reasoned arguments and giving informed rebuttals is something that they just can not do. No matter how many times I challenge them to submit reasoned arguments justifying their belief, they studiously ignore it. Thus we get the endless sneery one liners, and nothing else. It is the only way that they can stay in the game, and they think that it makes them look clever.

One would have thought that their inability to reason why they believe something might spark some neuronal activity in their sclerotic brains. And that they might adopt a more respectful attitude, and withdraw to a more defensible position. But you see hubris is part of the problem. They have been told for so long that racists are cretins, and non racists are rooly, rooly, intelligent people, that they think that by simply opposing a racist cretin displays how smart they are. But they have a real problem. And that is, they have no idea why they believe that all races are equal. Adopting a superior air and responding with sneers is how they deal with the fact that they know that their opponent has done his homework, and they know that they are out of their depth.

Everybody wants to think that they are intelligent. But most anti racist "debaters" think that just by presenting themselves as anti racists displays to the admiring public that they are part of the intellectual elite. And displaying their membership of this caste by advocating the elitist orthodox party line, is why they respond on this topic in the first place. In the end, I tell them to stop being trolls and put up or shut up, and if they don't, I stop responding to them. I will put up with arrogant idiots for a while in the hope that they have the brains to be more reasonable, but I won't put up with arrogant idiots with no brains forever, who get on a debate site and can't, or won't, debate.

Look back over this topic and you will see that is exactly the position that "John Smith", "Aussie", and "Nom De Plume" took.

Super Nova is another matter. He really does believe in this crap and he genuinely wants to discuss it, even though he is floundering. This means that he is displaying real intelligence. I think I have given him something to think about, and if I am reading him right, he may be at the stage of at least considering that what he has long believed " ain't necessarily so." That's one reason why I come on these sites, Brian. There are intelligent people out there who's values and opinions may be swayed by reasoned argument. That is why you banned me from your own debate site. You don't want me confronting your own tribe of doe eyed young brain washed zealots, with reason.

[Bogan]

Brian ross wrote

Oh, dearie, dearie, me, "Bogan" you do make a great deal out of nothing. Genetics is a great science - which you referred to as a "religion" when I last mentioned it and which you have yet to reply directly to.

Please submit any quote by me where I have stated that genetics is a religion.

Brian Ross wrote

In reality it is still very much in it's infancy with only a few genomes mapped fully. We know what humanities looks like but we still do not what the various genes do. Funny that. We don't know what creates various "races" and why they were created by various external environmental factors. They produce attributes which we don't fully understand yet. "Race" is one such. It has little bearing on anything except how we look to one another. It produces attributes which are purely physical. Attributes which you believe decide how people act. All without evidence. The only evidence you have are social things which are a consequence of politics more often than not. Factors which you never consider. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Genetics is so advanced that police scientists can even roughly image an offenders, or a decayed dead person's face, from their DNA. Serial killers who have long operated with impunity for decades, and who left any genetic material at a crime scene long ago, are being found by examining the databases of millions of people who have contributed their DNA to companies tracing family ancestory, even though the serial killers DNA is not in any police or private companies DNA data. Look up "The Golden State Killer" on Youtube. It is a fascinating story.

The rest of your rant is just left wing socialist social theory. Old time marxists, of which you are a magnificent example, long claimed that "class" was a social construct, and therefore did not exist. But they are a bit quiete on that today. One reason is, because even in the socialist workers paradise you dream about, the guys at the top formed a ruling class with all the privileges of the nobility of old. And as for today's young socialite socialists, displaying their moral and intellectually superior class consciousness and their contempt for every other class is in society is what makes them so insufferable. They can hardly claim that class does not exist if they are so proud of their own class.

So, the neo Marxists are now claiming that race does not exist. If that was right, Brian Ross would be demonstrating outside of the Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander Commission and demanding that this department be disbanded, because race does not exist. So there is no reason why this expensive department should exist. But you won't do that because the ATSI is a $60 billion dollar p.a. gravy train for the public service. Public service commies like you can clearly see the existence of race when it is convenient, and then they loudly claim it does not exist when convenient.

Checkmate, Brian.

[brian ross]

Brian Ross wrote

Appears you missed this, "Bogan"? I don't want to assume your avoiding me...

Avoiding you? Hahahahaha! Having the fun of reaming you out again was one reason I came back onto this site. I missed you. I am a bit pissed that you ran off and started another topic somewhere else, and you have been MIA on this topic for the last ten pages, or so. And I am also pissed that you probably want me to submit arguments and rebuttals I have already dealt with in the last ten pages.

Brian Ross wrote

Bogan" science is not a "religion". It is based on repeatable facts. Genetics has shown humanities' attributes which separate humanity from primates. You relying on belief, not reality. Try again. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

Oh, that's good. You start off by implying that you are the scientific one. Yeah, sure, Brian. Always pretend to grab the moral high ground first, is a Brian Ross standard tactic.

Really? Might be true might be your guilty conscious playing tricks on you, "Bogan"...

The topic under discussion is "are races equal?" As I have written previously in my quote that you kindly submitted, I say they are not. And I give reasoned arguments and support them with scientific facts. On this, and many other sites that I submit this topic on, most of my opponents simply refuse to give reasoned arguments supporting their position, much less any scientific facts to back up their opinions. The BELIEF that "all races are equal" is for them, simply that, A BELIEF. Most people who believe this crap do not even know why they believe it. It is exactly like a religion. It is a BELIEF that has been inculcated into their brains so long ago, and internalised as an immutable fact, that they even get indignant that they should have to justify their opinion.

So we go through this process where they "debate" with me by just attacking everything I say with sneery one liners. The reason why they do this, is because it is not something they ever thought that they would ever need to reason out. So, they don't have any arguments at all other than a few stale slogans, and a few half remembered points they heard somebody else say somewhere, in a tone of moral superiority. Submitting reasoned arguments and giving informed rebuttals is something that they just can not do. No matter how many times I challenge them to submit reasoned arguments justifying their belief, they studiously ignore it. Thus we get the endless sneery one liners, and nothing else. It is the only way that they can stay in the game, and they think that it makes them look clever.

One would have thought that their inability to reason why they believe something might spark some neuronal activity in their sclerotic brains. And that they might adopt a more respectful attitude, and withdraw to a more defensible position. But you see hubris is part of the problem. They have been told for so long that racists are cretins, and non racists are rooly, rooly, intelligent people, that they think that by simply opposing a racist cretin displays how smart they are. But they have a real problem. And that is, they have no idea why they believe that all races are equal. Adopting a superior air and responding with sneers is how they deal with the fact that they know that their opponent has done his homework, and they know that they are out of their depth.

Everybody wants to think that they are intelligent. But most anti racist "debaters" think that just by presenting themselves as anti racists displays to the admiring public that they are part of the intellectual elite. And displaying their membership of this caste by advocating the elitist orthodox party line, is why they respond on this topic in the first place. In the end, I tell them to stop being trolls and put up or shut up, and if they don't, I stop responding to them. I will put up with arrogant idiots for a while in the hope that they have the brains to be more reasonable, but I won't put up with arrogant idiots with no brains forever, who get on a debate site and can't, or won't, debate.

Look back over this topic and you will see that is exactly the position that "John Smith", "Aussie", and "Nom De Plume" took.

Super Nova is another matter. He really does believe in this crap and he genuinely wants to discuss it, even though he is floundering. This means that he is displaying real intelligence. I think I have given him something to think about, and if I am reading him right, he may be at the stage of at least considering that what he has long believed " ain't necessarily so." That's one reason why I come on these sites, Brian. There are intelligent people out there who's values and opinions may be swayed by reasoned argument. That is why you banned me from your own debate site. You don't want me confronting your own tribe of doe eyed young brain washed zealots, with reason.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Appears you are committed to your belief, "Bogan". Your "scientific facts" are flawed and based on misunderstanding of the outcomes of scientific studies that you are quoting. Genetics is inexact. It's outcomes are base upon statistics. There are no chromosomes that identify "Race". They can identify what you look like from the area your ancestors hailed from but they could be mistaken because you get odd people who are unusual "Races" that moved to unusual locations. The DNA tests that organisations like ancestry.com are inexact. If you submit yourself to the various opposition organisations you get different results. Funny that, hey.

"My tribe" is what, exactly, "Bogan"? I am a left-leaning systems engineer. What does that make me? I believe in science, I disbelieve Religion. I know science has proved that all men and women are equal. Am I, what exactly? You have attempted to pigeonhole me. I doubt you've managed it. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

[Bobby]

I know science has proved that all men and women are equal.

Really -
why didn't any women get into the boxing ring with Mike Tyson?

[Bogan]

Brian Ross wrote

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Appears you are committed to your belief, "Bogan".

Pretty poor rebuttal, Briney. Easy to counter. The best thing about debating about whether races are equal, is that it is so easy to prove that they are not.

Brian Ross wrote

Your "scientific facts" are flawed and based on misunderstanding of the outcomes of scientific studies that you are quoting. Genetics is inexact. It's outcomes are base upon statistics. There are no chromosomes that identify "Race". They can identify what you look like from the area your ancestors hailed from but they could be mistaken because you get odd people who are unusual "Races" that moved to unusual locations. The DNA tests that organisations like ancestry.com are inexact. If you submit yourself to the various opposition organisations you get different results. Funny that, hey.

You are once again trying your old todge that Science does not recognise race. Bullshit. Forensic anthropologists are scientists and one crucial task that they must do whenever a human skeleton is discovered bearing the tell tale signs of murder, is to help investigators to identify the victim by determining the race of the victim. The Bell Curve is a scientific work which examined the differences in IQ between the main races resident in the USA. Of course the Racial Grievance Industry went apoplectic over this book. But no critic that I know of ever criticised the book by saying that races do not exist. Such nonsense is just too easy to counter.

And now we get back to the point you so skillfully tried to dodge, Brian. If the Loony Left does not recognise race, why do they use the terms themselves? The Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander Commission is a glaring example of that. Australia is the only country in the world that has set up a government department dedicated to the welfare of two races, which the Left claims can not exist. That name is a contradiction on at least two levels. First, it recognises the concept of race in it's own name and not a hoot of protest from your leftist comrades. Second, it's name even differentiates between two separate races. It is just as well you loony lefties have double standards, or you would have no standards at all.

You have lost that point, Brian. You and your loony left public service mates can not recognise race when it suits you, and then claim it does not exist when it suits you. No wonder you tried to pull a swifty and dodged responding to that point. You know yourself that your argument is a contradiction. But you tried it anyway because you are not interested in the truth, you are interested in the interests of the public service and it's academic mates, and you will even submit arguments that you know are a contradiction to support that self interest. Then dodge responding when challenged. Which is very naughty of you, Brian. All this while adopting the pose of the morally superior standing before a chorus of singing angels. Haha. It is all an act, isn't it Brian? You are a modern Elmer Gantry.

Brian Ross wrote

"My tribe" is what, exactly, "Bogan"? I am a left-leaning systems engineer. What does that make me? I believe in science, I disbelieve Religion. I know science has proved that all men and women are equal. Am I, what exactly? You have attempted to pigeonhole me. I doubt you've managed it. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

You are a loony lefty, Brian. Which is another word for the old term "Communist". Of course, with the collapse of the Soviet Union from it's own contradictions, the neo-Marxists today are trying to rebrand themselves with new names. But Communist, neo Marxist, Loony Lefty, Democratic Marxist, Trotskyist, Marxist Leninist, Stalinist, whatever, they are all pretty much the same thing. They are all dedicated to a government of the public service, by the public service, and for the public service.

[Nom De Plume]

Many prevailing theories of intelligence suggest that people with lower IQs are the ones most likely to break the law, since impulsivity, struggles at school, lack of social bonding, and lack of foresight are all linked to criminality. In comparison, intelligent people have traditionally been seen as less likely to commit crimes, and this view of brainpower as a protective factor against offending has been bolstered by many studies over the decades. But there may be an IQ threshold after which a high IQ becomes more of a risk factor.

Indeed, Oleson’s high-IQ group reported higher crime rates, compared to the control group, for 50 of the 72 types of crime surveyed. These included minor offenses such as trespassing and copyright violations, but also serious crimes such as arson, fraud, and kidnapping. The high-IQ offenders were also more likely to get away with their crimes, with significantly fewer convictions per reported offense.

https://qz.com/923648/why-do-highly-int ... it-crimes/

And then there is 'white collar crime' that is beyond the majority of people to understand and for those that engage within, get away with...

The cost of the crimes covered here amounts to $19 billion. Other costs (such as policing, prisons and the security industry) add nearly another $13 billion. The total estimated bill is nearly $32 billion per year. Fraud is the most costly crime, followed by violent crime (homicide, assault and sexual assault) and burglary.
https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi247

https://scamsonline.org/real-african-sc ... arch-2021/
The link above shows Africans displaying the financial spoils of their fraudulent endeavors. These fraudsters target wealthy western nations... yet you would claim that they are too stupid to pull off such an operation.

[J o h n S m i t h]

I know science has proved that all men and women are equal.

Really -
why didn't any women get into the boxing ring with Mike Tyson?

you moron, you really take stupidity to a whole new level

why don't YOU get in the ring with Mike Tyson?