Are Races Equal?

[lisa jones]

It has been an article of FAITH in the western world to consider that "All Men are Equal". Leaving aside that this statement just happens to be sexist, it implies what most western people have taken for granted for decades. The idea that all races are equal. But mother nature is no Egalitarian. People are different. Even within families and races, people are unequal in intelligence, physical beauty, athletic ability, and in what might be considered to be sociable personalities. And while nurture may be important, for the most part they are born that way.

In the Western world, several distinct ethnic groups are always dysfunctional with very high rates of welfare dependency and serious criminal behaviour. Humanitarian activists have long claimed that this is because of disadvantage and discrimination within the communities of these ethnic groups. But the existence of other groups such as successful Asians who could be considered as starting from the same base as the dysfunctional groups, often with a lot less privilege's, seems to indicate that something other than lack of opportunity and discrimination is the real reason.

Especially since the homelands of these dysfunctional groups are themselves dysfunctional, while the homelands of Asians are doing even better financially and socially than their teachers and mentors, the white race.

I propose that the real reason for the widespread dysfunction of certain well known ethnic groups is because of a generally low median IQ coupled with a genetic predisposition to extreme violence. What do you think?

PS. I have been gotten off a few debate sites for being a heretic on this subject, but I don't worry about that. What pissses me off is opponents who strongly oppose my racist views, and who deny, deny, deny, everything I write, while refusing to submit any argument as to why they think that races must be equal. If you wish to debate me on this topic, sooner or later you will have to submit an argument justifying your own view. If you refuse to do that (because you know you can not do it) then do me a favour and don't bother replying to my topic. It is only for intelligent people who may oppose my views and who can engage me in fair debate.

Short answer? Nurture trumps Nature. And that's how it's taught at Uni.

Interestingly this applies across many parameters : intelligence, propensity to attend university, propensity to commit crime etc. It's pretty much environmentally determined.

Illnesses (physical and mental) tend to have a hereditary ie genetic link. Even then...not always.

[Bogan]

Brian Ross wrote

All humans are "equal".

Hi Briney! Sorry, I missed your initial post, but I am on it now.

If all humans are equal, then they should all have equal outcomes when mixed together in a community. That this does not happen is the flaw in your reasoning which you need to explain. Old time commies such as your good self used to claim that the notion of "class" did not exist, and that if you took an East End flower girl seller and gave her elocution lessons, she could pass for a Bohemian princess. But the idea of a classless society has really gone out of fashion among you and your socialite socialist comrades because you yourselves recognise your own class as something special, and you can't do that without being class conscious.

So ,you next failing "cause" is to promote the idea of racial equality. It is obvious that some ethnicities are very dysfunctional so you have to explain the reason why. Your "explanation" is of course, white racism and discrimination. Which is racism against white people. So we get the rather funny situation of people like yourself who champion anti racism being very racist towards white people.

Of course, there is more to it than that. About the only thing the public service is good for is finding ways to create more jobs for more public servants. The more dysfunctional ethnicities imported into western countries, the more jobs it creates for the public service. And better still, the more dysfunctional ethnicities on the dole, the more they will vote for left wing parties who will make sure that they get more welfare, and can import their entire villages and entire provinces in the old country over to get in on the taxpayer funded cash.

Your next move is to suppress free speech because you do not want those grotty working class types grumbling about how your new voters are a crime, welfare, and terrorism problem. Central to that is suppressing any talk about the IQ levels of dysfunctional minorities. You even chucked me off your old debate site for having the temerity to explore these issues you want suppressed. Freedom of speech is now the virtue of the right.

Brian Ross wrote

All humans are from the same genetic group.

So are all apes, but that does not make humans and other apes equal.

Brian Ross wrote

They differ in physical attributes but can happily interbreed with one another, despite being separated for tens of thousands of years.

Brown bears are a species, African Buffaloe are a species, and human beings are a species. But among Brown Bears there are 89 sub species which can breed together to create fertile offspring, who can be identifiably different in appearance, and who possess differing behaviour. All can be considered dangerous but two are especially dangerous. The Grizzly Bear and the Kodiak Bear are very, very dangerous. The scientific name for the Grizzly Bear is Ursis Actus Horriblis.

There are four sub species of African buffalo and they are all dangerous. But one sub species is especially dangerous. It is the Cape Buffalo. the Cape Buffalo is so dangerous that it is considered one of the "Big Dive" of Dangerous Game among Big Game Hunters.

Within species, some sub species are considered smart and others dumb. Thoroughbred horses run fast but are pretty dumb. Some dog breeds are smart and others dumb. Some sub species of cats have differing personalities to other sub species of cats. So Briney, if genetics works in the animal world, then it works in the human world too.

Brian Ross wrote

They all share the same mental attributes. Under the Genetic rule - "reversion to the mean" - they share an average intelligence. This why the children of geniuses rarely display genius themselves.

If that was true, then after 2 million years of evolution, every human in the world would have exactly the same intelligence. That is self evidently wrong for two reasons. First, would be anathema to your own peer group who think that they are something special when it comes to brains. Second, there is hardly anyone in the world who does not know that some people are smart, many have average intelligence, and some are dumb.

Brian Ross wrote

All else is Racism - biological determinism usually based on physical attributes such as the amount of melanin in the skin, the shape of their lips, epicanthic folds over the eyes, frizziness of their hair and so on. Negros simply have more melanin in their skin cells.

Of course it is racism, Brian. But I am a racist. You are a racist yourself who just pretends that you are not a racist. You do that for political and social reasons. The political reason is because you want the entire third world to immigrate into western countries until we become shithole countries too, then the western world will be socialist with the public service in control of everything. A government of the public service, by the public service, and for the public service. Public service heaven. Societal hell, just like the Democrat cities in the USA. The social reason is that you can kid yourselves that you and your public service mates are the champions of the poor oppressed and can strut and preen yourselves as the paragons of virtue, along with your rich celebrity mates.

[Bogan]

Lisa Jones wrote

Short answer? Nurture trumps Nature. And that's how it's taught at Uni.

I would much prefer a long answer, Lisa, as it shows me how much you know. Anyhoo, if they teach you that gunk at university, then perhaps you should have spent more time in the library reading opposing views?

If behaviour is primarily a factor of nurture and not nature, Lisa, then how come in every nation on planet Earth, males make up 93% to 97% of prison populations? Is that caused by "environment" and "discrimination"? If so, then when it comes to "discrimination" you should insist that more women should be in jail. But if you have a brain, then I think the penny might be starting to drop that what your left wing professors told you in university is bunkum. Quite obviously, right there in this example is a genetic link to criminal behaviour. Most long term prisoners are in for violent crimes, and males are very much disproportionately violent than women. Unless you want to argue that women are as violent as men, but legally get more breaks in the justice system? But I am not sure that the Sisterhood will agree with you on that. Although, since most of them agree on absolute male and female equality, they should.

A person's personality is a product of both nature and nurture. Nature provides the underlying personality while nurture builds or removes from that. The Twins Reared Apart study in the USA was instigated because in the early 1900's child welfare authorities responsible for orphaned children concluded that in the case of unwanted twin or triplets, it was much easier to separate the twins after birth to make adoption easier. Scientific researchers given limited access to the children's files found that in examining criminal behaviour, that there was a statistically significant link that if one twin brought up in one household became a criminal, the other twin reared in a different household would do so as well. It was not always the case that both twin would become criminals. Just a statistically significant factor that they would. This also displayed that in the case of a child who may be genetically prone to criminal behaviour, good parenting may make a difference.

Lisa Jones wrote

Interestingly this applies across many parameters : intelligence, propensity to attend university, propensity to commit crime etc. It's pretty much environmentally determined.

But you are a smart young woman, are you not, Lisa? So as a educated woman who understands the importance of an impartial examination of both sides of an argument, you know that this factor can also be looked at from a different angle. Smart couples have smart kids and smart people do well in life. They live in nice neighbourhoods with other smart people where crime is low or non existent. Their smart kids go to school, study, and do their homework. These smart kids go on to university and become a success in life.

Dumb people have dumb kids and dumb people do poorly at life. They live in bad neighbourhoods with other dumb people where crime is high. Where a person from such an area has some brains he or she will be upwardly mobile and they will try and do well at school. They will get the hell out of that area at the first opportunity. They will refrain from engaging in criminal behaviour as they are smart enough to realise that a criminal record may be very detrimental to their future success. Most will not attend university but they will at least make the jump from the disadvantaged and criminal classes, into the working class, and perhaps even the lower middle class.

The poorest areas in Australia are usually remote country towns where if there is a low proportion of aboriginal people, crime is almost non existent. Some poor Australian country towns have never had an armed robbery in their entire history.

Lisa Jones wrote

Illnesses (physical and mental) tend to have a hereditary ie genetic link. Even then...not always.

Within criminal communities, there are known to be "crime families" who's every member is a criminal. This does not definitely prove a genetic link. It is just another piece of the genetic puzzle which reinforces the concept that genetics and crime are linked.

[Bogan]

John Smith wrote

your attitude towards them for one is a prime example of how poorly treated they are

To John Smith.

Another miserable and disappointing post from you. Is a 16 word sneery one liner all you can write? it just goes to prove that people who believe in racial equality have not even bothered to give the subject much thought at all. It is simply a belief that they have internalised as children and accept as fact without question. Do you believe that the universe was created in six days, too? Because if you don't let me tell you I have debated against people who really believe it did, and they have exactly the same mindsets that you have. They BELIEVE! They BELIEVE! And no amount of reasoned argument or pointing out the absurdities of their beliefs will shift them.

You BELIEF in racial equality is just that, a BELIEF. It is something that you have thought was absolute truth for so long, it has never even occurred to you that it could be wrong , or that you might meet someone who disagrees. So when you meet somebody like me who has his shit together, you don't know what to do. All you can manage is to toss a few sneery one liners which you hope will show that you have a considered point of view. But all it displays to me is how ignorant you are.

If you think that you are smart, then start thinking like a smart person. Partly concede points that you know are probably irrefutable, even if you still disagree with them and think that there might be a different explanation. Debate fairly and if you don't know something, or disagree with something you can't explain, excuse yourself and do some checking. A stupid person just stands on his dignity and keeps up a pretense that he knows what he is talking about when he obviously does not. But if you want to keep making a fool of yourself, I am here to help.

[Bobby]

Let me repeat as you have ignored my first effort at rebutting you, Bogan...

All humans are "equal". All humans are from the same genetic group. They differ in physical attributes but can happily interbreed with one another, despite being separated for tens of thousands of years. They all share the same mental attributes. Under the Genetic rule - "reversion to the mean" - they share an average intelligence. This why the children of geniuses rarely display genius themselves. All else is Racism - biological determinism usually based on physical attributes such as the amount of melanin in the skin, the shape of their lips, epicanthic folds over the eyes, frizziness of their hair and so on. Negros simply have more melanin in their skin cells.

So you don't think Negroes are more closely related to the apes?

[J o h n S m i t h]

Another miserable and disappointing post from you.

I'm sooooooooo devastated that you are disappointed.......... not

I don't give a crap if you don't like the length of my reply. My 16 words were more than enough to answer your stupid question. You wanted an example of how they are treated poorly, I gave you one. When you can counter my reply I might go further, until then you have my permission to keep crying about the length of my replies.

[J o h n S m i t h]

If you think that you are smart, then start thinking like a smart person

I don't have to be smart, just smarter than you. And the fact that you think rambling on endlessly equates to smarts proves to me that I'm on the right track.

To be totally fair, you do make it pretty easy.

[brian ross]

Let me repeat as you have ignored my first effort at rebutting you, Bogan...

All humans are "equal". All humans are from the same genetic group. They differ in physical attributes but can happily interbreed with one another, despite being separated for tens of thousands of years. They all share the same mental attributes. Under the Genetic rule - "reversion to the mean" - they share an average intelligence. This why the children of geniuses rarely display genius themselves. All else is Racism - biological determinism usually based on physical attributes such as the amount of melanin in the skin, the shape of their lips, epicanthic folds over the eyes, frizziness of their hair and so on. Negros simply have more melanin in their skin cells.

So you don't think Negroes are more closely related to the apes?

You are insulting both Apes and people, Bobby...

[Bobby]

Let me repeat as you have ignored my first effort at rebutting you, Bogan...

All humans are "equal". All humans are from the same genetic group. They differ in physical attributes but can happily interbreed with one another, despite being separated for tens of thousands of years. They all share the same mental attributes. Under the Genetic rule - "reversion to the mean" - they share an average intelligence. This why the children of geniuses rarely display genius themselves. All else is Racism - biological determinism usually based on physical attributes such as the amount of melanin in the skin, the shape of their lips, epicanthic folds over the eyes, frizziness of their hair and so on. Negros simply have more melanin in their skin cells.

So you don't think Negroes are more closely related to the apes?

You are insulting both Apes and people, Bobby...

Do pictures lie?

[brian ross]

Where is the relationship between Negros and Apes, Bobby? You made a claim and tried to back it up it up with a bullshit picture. Tsk, tsk, tsk...