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Re: Free Counselling for Theists!

Post by J.W. Frogen » Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:10 pm

Just as most good actors prefer playing the villain so some creative yet superstitious people love the role of Lucifer’s lights.

Hell, even Milton fell in love with Satan in Paradise Lost.

God may be good, but he is boring.

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Re: Free Counselling for Theists!

Post by J.W. Frogen » Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:13 pm

Dring, a gentle word of advice, calling theists idiots and then admonishing them on their incivility is sort of an own goal while playing against a team quadriplegics.

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Re: Free Counselling for Theists!

Post by J.W. Frogen » Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:51 pm

Mind you Dring I do agree there is a supreme form of egoism in the idea one understands eternity, be it eternal damnation or salvation, that one knows who is going where.

Even an ego as big as my own has come to terms with the fact that everything dies, entire species, planets, stars, even the universe itself will die, so why shouldn’t I?

It is fair.

And the contemplation of such makes this transient moment of our lives all the more sweet.

For which I thank God.

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Re: Free Counselling for Theists!

Post by pierre » Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:18 pm

I notice some references to good and evil. From where did you derive these concepts?
Your faithful servant,
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Re: Free Counselling for Theists!

Post by J.W. Frogen » Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:53 pm

That all depends on who you are, if you are a nihilist you would form the concepts based on the utility they have for you though this can lead to a warped isolation, death in a burning bunker or horse whispering in Weimar.

The conventionally religious find it in sacred text, though as most of these texts have the usual contradictions of poetry run on too long this can lead to dispute, disquiet or mental stagnancy.

Mystics, or those who seek to directly experience transcendence, find it in behavior that facilitates such transcendence, this itself they would offer makes one more in tune with the benefits of all others swimming in that sea of trancencance, but this route is prone to disconnection from real or difficult choices in the more mundane aspects of life.

The humanist can find it in relation to their personal experience with the moral outlines of their cultural inheritance, the civic demands society places on us to be part of a social group, but this can lead to either conformity and the stagnation of reason or overweening ambition to change social norms to fit one's personal relationship with the society.

Good and evil is like walking a swaying tight rope, ever changing direction, but doubt the concepts exist at all and you will feel the fall.

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Re: Free Counselling for Theists!

Post by J.W. Frogen » Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:59 pm

Now be free my humble servant, serve thyself.

Right after you get me a root beer spiked with Jack.

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Re: Free Counselling for Theists!

Post by pierre » Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:03 pm

In the year 1819, in the sixth month, Kobayashi Nobuyuki, who published under the name Issa, composed the following haiku:

The world of dew --
A world of dew it is indeed,
And yet, and yet . . .

Yours in the eternal now,
Pierre

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Re: Free Counselling for Theists!

Post by boxy » Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:16 am

pierre wrote:I notice some references to good and evil. From where did you derive these concepts?
Your faithful servant,
Pierre
Concepts of good and evil are memes, mutating/adapting/evolving constantly. Useful moral codes (those that help their hosts "spread the word" best) thrive, and "reproduce", those that are counterproductive, make themselves unpopular.
"But you will run your fluffy bunny mouth at me. And I will take it, to play poker."

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Re: Free Counselling for Theists!

Post by J.W. Frogen » Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:41 pm

Perhaps, but memes do not explain the persistence of morality with dubious utility, that which actually endangers the believer, such as Tibetian Buddism confronted with China.

Or Judaism through much of it's history.

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Re: Free Counselling for Theists!

Post by Ned Kelly » Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:16 pm

J.W. Frogen wrote:Perhaps, but memes do not explain the persistence of morality with dubious utility, that which actually endangers the believer, such as Tibetian Buddism confronted with China.

Or Judaism through much of it's history.
Fucked if I know what the hell you are talking about. Over to you Pierre................................I think......and yet, and yet, yet......

.....and um........................yet.

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