5G could be a risk to planes

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5G could be a risk to planes

Post by Super Nova » Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:49 pm

Looks like 5G could be a risk to planes. Just having the network in the airport.
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has published the list of 50 airports around which it wants Verizon and AT&T to create "5G buffer" zones as they roll out their C-Band networks.

The Department of Transportation previously asked Verizon and AT&T to delay the deployment of their C-Band networks from Dec. 5, 2021 to Jan. 5 due to concerns about interference affecting the altimeters used by commercial aircraft. Then on Jan. 2 the FAA asked the carriers to push back the debut of their C-Band networks again so it could investigate those safety risks.

The FAA said at the time that it would "identify priority airports where a buffer zone would permit aviation operations to continue safely while the FAA completes its assessments of the interference potential around those airports." Verizon and AT&T agreed to delay the launch of their C-Band networks for two weeks and respect the buffer zones designated by the FAA.
https://in.pcmag.com/news/147233/faa-re ... ffer-zones

Dubai-based carrier Emirates has indefinitely suspended flights to nine US destinations starting Wednesday, January 19.

In a statement posted on its website, the carrier said that suspension was “due to operational concerns associated with the planned deployment of 5G mobile network services in the US at certain airports.”

“We are working closely with aircraft manufacturers and the relevant authorities to alleviate operational concerns, and we hope to resume our US services as soon as possible,” it added.
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Re: 5G could be a risk to planes

Post by Bobby » Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:54 pm

I don't understand it.

There are normally very strict rules about which radio bands can be used so
that such a situation can't happen.

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Re: 5G could be a risk to planes

Post by Black Orchid » Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:55 pm

And humans control that and humans make mistakes.

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Re: 5G could be a risk to planes

Post by Super Nova » Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:57 pm

Bobby wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:54 pm
I don't understand it.

There are normally very strict rules about which radio bands can be used so
that such a situation can't happen.
5G was approved for rollout, they are stopping it near 50 airports as there is a concern over aircraft safety. 5G was approved before they did this analysis. Also what other things will be affected?

Emirates has stopped flying to airports that have not stopped the rollout near the airports.

I think this is a serious risk and needs to be sorted.
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Re: 5G could be a risk to planes

Post by Bobby » Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:59 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:55 pm
And humans control that and humans make mistakes.
Radio bands are strictly controlled.
It should be impossible for this to happen.

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Re: 5G could be a risk to planes

Post by Bobby » Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:00 pm

Super Nova wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:57 pm
Bobby wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:54 pm
I don't understand it.

There are normally very strict rules about which radio bands can be used so
that such a situation can't happen.
5G was approved for rollout, they are stopping it near 50 airports as there is a concern over aircraft safety. 5G was approved before they did this analysis. Also what other things will be affected?

Emirates has stopped flying to airports that have not stopped the rollout near the airports.

I think this is a serious risk and needs to be sorted.

Heads should roll.

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Re: 5G could be a risk to planes

Post by Super Nova » Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:52 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:55 pm
And humans control that and humans make mistakes.
Agreed.

More analysis and research need to occur.

I don't need 5G. Happy to never have it.
Dr Frank De Vocht, who helps advise the government on mobile phone safety says "although some of the research suggests a statistical possibility of increased cancer risks for heavy users, the evidence to date for a causal relation is not sufficiently convincing to suggest the need for precautionary action".

However, there is a group of scientists and doctors who have written to the EU calling for the rollout of 5G to be halted.
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"The exposure that 5G will produce has been considered in great depth by ICNIRP, with the restrictions set well below the lowest level of 5G-related radio frequency that has been shown to cause harm," says Prof Croft.

The WHO says electromagnetic frequency exposures below the limits recommended in the ICNIRP guidelines do not appear to have any known consequence on health.
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Re: 5G could be a risk to planes

Post by Super Nova » Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:41 pm

Now I get the issue as it is stated below and in the link. https://www.msn.com/en-ae/news/national ... entnewsntp

These are the key points:
  • the power of the antennas in the United States have been doubled compared to what’s going on elsewhere.
  • the antenna themselves have been put into a vertical position rather than a slight slanting position
  • which then taken together compromise not only the radio altimeter systems but the flight control systems on the fly by wire aircraft.
So combined with double the power plus the alignment of the waves all being in the same direction is the problem. I cannot find more on this with a quick search but from my radio days, having all antennas on a tower aligned may result in further boosting of the single strength directionally. Like a beam. Imagine a plane crossing this beam while landing and all the instruments go to shit.

US 5G rollout ‘utterly irresponsible’, says Emirates president - Extract

“I need to be as candid as I normally am, and say this is one of the most delinquent, utterly irresponsible issue subjects, call it what you like, I’ve seen in my aviation career because it involves organs of government, manufacturers, science, etc. And you know, the notion that, for instance, the United States government should sell its franchise for all the frequencies for a large amount of money. Somebody should have told them at the time – that the risks and the dangers they placed in certain frequency uses around field, airfields, metropolitan fields that should have been done at the time.”


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“We were aware of a 5G issue. Okay. We are aware that everybody is trying to get 5G rolled out after all it’s the super cool future of whatever it may be communication and information flow. We were not aware that the power of the antennas in the United States have been doubled compared to what’s going on elsewhere. We were not aware that the antenna themselves have been put into a vertical position rather than a slight slanting position, which then taken together compromise not only the radio altimeter systems but the flight control systems on the fly by wire aircraft. So on that basis we took that decision late Tuesday night to suspend all our services until we had clarity,” Clark said
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